Are These Implied Odds Correct?

[Two_Stepper 0]

Holdem No Limit $0.25 6 maxSeat 5 - Villian ($49.80 in chips)Seat 8 - TWO_STEPPER ($18.90 in chips)Dealt to TWO_STEPPER9 [Ks As] TWO_STEPPER9 - Raises to $1.25 from UTG4 - FoldsVillian - Calls $1 from BB.Pot $2.60*** FLOP *** [Js 2s Qh]Villian - ChecksTWO_STEPPER - Bets $1.25Villian - Calls $1.25Pot $5.10*** TURN *** [Js 2s Qh] [9c]Villian - ChecksTWO_STEPPER - Bets $1.50Villian - Raises to $5Pot $11.60Do I call?Here's what I was thinking: I have at least 12 good outs, that makes me about 25% to hit. Hence I need roughly 4:1 to make the call. The pot was giving me about 3:1 (11.6/3.5).Do I have the implied odds to make this call? One quarter of the time I will hopefully double up.I would definately make this call if I had a comparable stack size to the villians, but I was short stacked. In the hand, I went over the numbers in my head, then made the call. The more I think about it, the more it seems like the call is correct. Just checking if this is the correct way to think about these situations.

[Zach6668 513]

With like 3 million outs, I wouldn't mind just getting all your money in.I wouldn't fault a turn push, if you feel like being really aggro, but this call is insanely easy.Also, NL hands, full or SH, go in the NL forum, ty.

[Two_Stepper 0]

Also, NL hands, full or SH, go in the NL forum, ty.

Whoops, just posted another SH NL in this forum. I'll make sure the next ones go in the proper forum.

[copernicus 0]

Holdem No Limit $0.25 6 maxSeat 5 - Villian ($49.80 in chips)Seat 8 - TWO_STEPPER ($18.90 in chips)Dealt to TWO_STEPPER9 [Ks As] TWO_STEPPER9 - Raises to $1.25 from UTG4 - FoldsVillian - Calls $1 from BB.Pot $2.60*** FLOP *** [Js 2s Qh]Villian - ChecksTWO_STEPPER - Bets $1.25Villian - Calls $1.25Pot $5.10*** TURN *** [Js 2s Qh] [9c]Villian - ChecksTWO_STEPPER - Bets $1.50Villian - Raises to $5Pot $11.60Do I call?Here's what I was thinking: I have at least 12 good outs, that makes me about 25% to hit. Hence I need roughly 4:1 to make the call. The pot was giving me about 3:1 (11.6/3.5).Do I have the implied odds to make this call? One quarter of the time I will hopefully double up.I would definately make this call if I had a comparable stack size to the villians, but I was short stacked. In the hand, I went over the numbers in my head, then made the call. The more I think about it, the more it seems like the call is correct. Just checking if this is the correct way to think about these situations.

A few problems here. Most important, if you are 25% to hit, you only need 3:1 to make the call, not 4:1, so you dont have to worry about implied odds.Second you are getting 3.33:1, that is a fairly substantial difference when making a call/fold decision.Third, you might have a shade under 12 clean outs...a non spade 10 may only split the pot, he certainly seems to be betting like he made a straight. If you discount the nonspade 10s to 1.5 outs, you are at 21%, which requires 3.76:1 odds and youre short again, and having to look at implied odds.The problem is if you hit the flush draw you cant count on doubling up, even against a straight. Depending on how deeply you discount the possiblity of doubling up is going to determine whether you have enough implied odds. If you only double up 1/4 of the time that you hit, you wind up at a bit better than 4:1 odds, and your ok.So, you wound up in the right place, the path was a bit crooked.

[PlzFoldNow 0]

Third, you might have a shade under 12 clean outs...a non spade 10 may only split the pot, he certainly seems to be betting like he made a straight.

Ace high straights generally beat King high straights.