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[BeaverStyle]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP (t2015)
CO (t14205)
Button (t10125)
Hero (t6120)
BB (t4010)
UTG (t4025)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T , Q .
4 folds, Hero raises to t6070

the BB has about 2k less than me... How many of you make this play? And if not, what's the lowest hand you would do it with?

[Wingman008]

For me, it would depend on what the player was.

But going with that, it's a horrible move.

You are only getting called if you are beat.

my 2cents.

[copernicus]

not enough information. How has bb been playing? Has he defended his blind? How have you been playing..have you pushed other hands from steal position?

QTo is only a 57:43 favorite against a random hand. Id like to have some feeling that the bb can fold and not leave it up to a coin flip, especially since youve got a few free hands coming up.

[subsin]

id only go all-in if had around 5-6x his money, in that case i maybe min-bet or just call

[BeaverStyle]

OK, let's reverse the roles.

You have 4k in the bb on the bubble, and the sb goes all in, and has you covered by 2k. He hasn't really gotten out of line, and has shown down solid hands, but has also won many hands w/out showdown.

What is your range for calling off all your chips here on the money bubble???

[subsin]

AA-JJ maybe 10-10

AKsuited, maybe a-q suited

[throwemaway]

W/ utg having the same stack as me, its something like...A10-AK, KQ, 77-AA but that also depends on table dynamics..I'd much much much rather shove it all in on the button with 97 suited then call off with 77 here

[subsin]

W/ utg having the same stack as me, its something like...A10-AK, KQ, 77-AA but that also depends on table dynamics..I'd much much much rather shove it all in on the button with 97 suited then call off with 77 here

why would u risk gettin busted on the bubble w 9-7? and a-10? doesnt seem like youve played many sng's

[throwemaway]

why would u risk gettin busted on the bubble w 9-7? and a-10? doesnt seem like youve played many sng's

Your right, actually I've never played a sng before in my entire life, I have no clue what I'm doing

[BeaverStyle]

Your right, actually I've never played a sng before in my entire life, I have no clue what I'm doing

I share the same sentiment as you with regards to rather shoving w/ 97 than calling w/ 77... it's about putting the pressure on the other guy to make the tournament changing decision.


I would assume that the range for calling there is pretty narrow... and yet that guy ended up calling w/ A8os... I was actually torn, because i was like a 65/35 dog to burst the bubble, but obviously i'd rather have him fold there.

No reason to berate in the tourney forum guys, we're trying to improve our game, not act like egomaniacs. Save that for general.

[Gallo]

id only go all-in if had around 5-6x his money, in that case i maybe min-bet or just call

Doesn't sound like you play too many SNGs.

[BeaverStyle]

Doesn't sound like you play too many SNGs.

QFT

[Gallo]

I share the same sentiment as you with regards to rather shoving w/ 97 than calling w/ 77... it's about putting the pressure on the other guy to make the tournament changing decision.
I would assume that the range for calling there is pretty narrow... and yet that guy ended up calling w/ A8os... I was actually torn, because i was like a 65/35 dog to burst the bubble, but obviously i'd rather have him fold there.

No reason to berate in the tourney forum guys, we're trying to improve our game, not act like egomaniacs. Save that for general.

Honestly, if it's me, I have no problem calling with the A8o. I tend to defend my blinds, especially this late in a tourney and blinds so high. But the reason I call is because I think you're stealing by pushing. What's funny is if you just raise I might lay down A8o. Go figure.

[subsin]

Doesn't sound like you play too many SNGs.

on the contrary sngs are how i make my money, theres a big difference between going all-in and min-betting

[Gallo]

on the contrary sngs are how i make my money, theres a big difference between going all-in and min-betting

Are you sure? This is what you said:
"id only go all-in if had around 5-6x his money, in that case i maybe min-bet or just call"

Min betting is the worst thing that you can do. You price everyone in. You probably cry when someone cracks your AA when someone calls you with J6.
Plus you also state that you only move allin if you have him covered by 5-6x. Honestly I think that's a bad way of thinking. In order to win, sometimes you gotta risk it. Also if that's the only way time that you make a move, then I don't honestly see how you can ever accumulate 5-6x more than anyone.

[subsin]

we're not talking about AA or a specific hand, just strategy

[BeaverStyle]

we're not talking about AA or a specific hand, just strategy

minbetting EVER is a horrible strategy.

99/100 times.

[copernicus]

OK, let's reverse the roles.

You have 4k in the bb on the bubble, and the sb goes all in, and has you covered by 2k. He hasn't really gotten out of line, and has shown down solid hands, but has also won many hands w/out showdown.

What is your range for calling off all your chips here on the money bubble???

If Im reading betweem the lines of the HH history correctly and there are $50 blinds, the push is offering BB something like 1.33:1 odds. He should be putting you on a pretty aggressive pushing range...something like top 33% of all hands, and if were TC odds only to worry about would take something like top 40% hands to call. Since we are on the bubble he may tighten up to matching your expected 33% range, which is still a pretty big range:

55+,A2s+,K4s+,Q6s+,J7s+,T7s+,98s,A5o+,K8o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T9o

Since nobody is getting that precise at the table round it 55+, Axo, Axs, K8+,QT+. Thats around 28% of all hands.


Edit: calling this a SnG is a little bit deceptive. The money bubble in a 3 payout SnG is huge...bubbling out really hurts ROI when its at the expense of a 20% payout that can grow to at most 50% (2.5 x sneaking in)

Here you are talking about an 8% payout that can grow to 37% (4.5x sneaking in). Gambling here makes a lot more sense than in a SnG for both the raiser and the caller.

[Briguy]

I don't see how this can be bad. We're talking about a $5.50 27-person. It's very doubtful that BB will put Hero on a large range, if he tries to put him on a range at all. He's going to look at his own two cards only, most often. With 1050 chips, I'd want to semi-steal that pot (it not as though QT is garbage in a head's up blind battle).

Plus, there's no immediate risk of busting with this push (just getting pretty short stacked if you're called and lose).

[fckthis]

If BB is a decent TAG, then raising another amount, like 1500 is more wise, because if he comes overtop, you can quickly lay it down, losing less, then if you commit and he actually picks something up.