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[kkot]

I planned to c/c the river.
Does anybody bet this river OOP? Obviously if I had the best hand on the turn, I still have it now.

CO is 30/6/.7
BUTTON is 48/3.6/.65 over 200+ hands.

PokerRoom 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T , A .
2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (7.50 SB) T , 9 , 5 (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) Q (3 players)
Hero bets, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

[Zach6668]

I bet the river.

Well played, otherwise.

I assume you are calling a river bet.

[kkot]

I think I have to call the river based on pot size.

Easy fold if bet then raised ahead of me.

[Zach6668]

I'm 100% behind betting this river now. I'm never checking here.

[ChrisRichey]

Again, I think the pf raise is a little aggressive, considering position. I too would lead out on the river.

[Moneyball16]

Again, I think the pf raise is a little aggressive, considering position. I too would lead out on the river.

This is a pretty standard raise for me anyways. I would fold ATo in this spot but ATs is too strong to not raise with IMO.

[Zach6668]

Again, I think the pf raise is a little aggressive, considering position. I too would lead out on the river.

Incredibly standard raise. What is your PFR, like 5%?

[ChrisRichey]

Incredibly standard raise. What is your PFR, like 5%?

Between 8%-10%. Is this too low? Do I need to re-read the starting hand requirements in SSHE? I am pretty tight I know. I just feel like playing this hands in big pots usually gets me in trouble cause I either am forced to call down with MP/TPMK and in .25/.50 and .50/1.00 I tend to lose with these hands.

Maybe I need to start posting more limit hands, but I am very frustrated with it at the moment.

[Zach6668]

Between 8%-10%. Is this too low? Do I need to re-read the starting hand requirements in SSHE? I am pretty tight I know. I just feel like playing this hands in big pots usually gets me in trouble cause I either am forced to call down with MP/TPMK and in .25/.50 and .50/1.00 I tend to lose with these hands.

Maybe I need to start posting more limit hands, but I am very frustrated with it at the moment.

8-10 is fine.

Forget SSHE.

It's a good starting point, but you can progress from it and play your own game. In MP2, with one limper, raising this hand is incredibly standard ATo would play best heads up or 3 handed, and limping just encourages more limping, which is bad for you.

[ChrisRichey]

8-10 is fine.

Forget SSHE.

It's a good starting point, but you can progress from it and play your own game. In MP2, with one limper, raising this hand is incredibly standard ATo would play best heads up or 3 handed, and limping just encourages more limping, which is bad for you.

I think I am analyzing these situations backwards. I would think that with a hand like ATs, I would need a straight, two pair or a flush to play this hand to the end. I always feel like I get burned by calling down with these types of hands. What would you recommend that I do?

[Zach6668]

I think I am analyzing these situations backwards. I would think that with a hand like ATs, I would need a straight, two pair or a flush to play this hand to the end. I always feel like I get burned by calling down with these types of hands. What would you recommend that I do?

I'm not really sure what you are asking exactly, but a hand like ATo has some high card strength. Of course, that is very vulnerable against many opponents, but given position, and that 3 players have already acted weakly in front of you, it's an easy raise to try to isolate the weak limper, or limit the field here.

Against 2 players, if you were to make top pair with either card, it's pretty unlikely that you'd be dominated. Ie, vs AJ-AK if you flop the A, or JJ-AA if you flop the T.

A hand like ATs, has the same qualities, but benefits from the suitedness which makes it play a lot better multiway. It's clearly an easy raise because it's good HU, but if you happen to get a 4 players cold calling behind you, it's not a disaster.

If that doesn't answer your question, just clarify it a bit, and I'll be back tomorrow.

- Zach

[ChrisRichey]

I'm not really sure what you are asking exactly, but a hand like ATo has some high card strength. Of course, that is very vulnerable against many opponents, but given position, and that 3 players have already acted weakly in front of you, it's an easy raise to try to isolate the weak limper, or limit the field here.

Against 2 players, if you were to make top pair with either card, it's pretty unlikely that you'd be dominated. Ie, vs AJ-AK if you flop the A, or JJ-AA if you flop the T.

A hand like ATs, has the same qualities, but benefits from the suitedness which makes it play a lot better multiway. It's clearly an easy raise because it's good HU, but if you happen to get a 4 players cold calling behind you, it's not a disaster.

If that doesn't answer your question, just clarify it a bit, and I'll be back tomorrow.

- Zach

Sorry, it was late when I wrote that. Very good explanation, thank you.

[RISEorFall]

bet the river.

what do you do if you check, CO bets and BB calls? you overcalling?

[Actuary]

. I always feel like I get burned by calling down with these types of hands. What would you recommend that I do?

if you're calling down with them, you often are behind.

Say you raise from MP with AT and are 3-bet.
Then you c/r a A high flop and are 3-bet. Well..AK/AQ is pretty likely. Gauge the aggressive/looseness of your opponent, and you may want to lay down the flop or turn after he 3-bets the flop. Or say you have very passive tight opponent who calls your preflop raise, or limped in beforehand, then you can check behind on the river because he probably doen not limp with a worse Ace and he's too passive to raise a better one.

but without additional info/reads, assume AT is the best hand on a A/T high flop when no one else raises preflop.

zach wrote some good stuff .

[Zach6668]

zach wrote some good stuff .

That's the only part I read.