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[kerrdog1969]

I'm wondering when do you realize that you want to jump in online and how much do you need. I've been playing freerolls on partypoker and have had some success. In the 250 and 300 freerolls I've finished in the money about eight times, there are about 10,000 people in these events. In the 500.00 freeroll I finished third and 39th out of 15,000 entries. I blew my 3rd place winnings in about ten minutes. I'm better at the multi table tournaments or heads up, however I read most books and magazines and realize I have a lot to learn, but seldom does anyone address when its time for a step up. Till some of you pro's anser this you can catch me at the freeroll table. BY THE WAY GREG RAYMER SUCKS OUT!

[....Ian....]

only play with an amount you can handle losing.

i take it you want to stick to tourney. read HOH 1/2, and read the strat forums here. start with low buy in tourney <$10


good luck

[kerrdog1969]

only play with an amount you can handle losing.

i take it you want to stick to tourney. read HOH 1/2, and read the strat forums here. start with low buy in tourney <$10
good luck

So I could deposit 50.00 and played only 1.00 mtt's, is that a good way to start or do I need to raise my deposit and play higher stakes. I like to think I 'm decent but reality is I'm new to online pokeer and dont expect to win money right off the bat but want to expand and increase my skill. I've seen you guys be rough rough on newbies heres some vasoline be gentle. BY THE WAY GREG RAYMER IS STILL A SUCKOUT!

[Actuary]

So I could deposit 50.00 and played only 1.00 mtt's, is that a good way to start or do I need to raise my deposit and play higher stakes. I like to think I 'm decent but reality is I'm new to online pokeer and dont expect to win money right off the bat but want to expand and increase my skill. I've seen you guys be rough rough on newbies heres some vasoline be gentle. BY THE WAY GREG RAYMER IS STILL A SUCKOUT!

ok, 1st.
Chill on the Raymer stuff and save that for the General Poker Forum.

MTT"s are a tough way to build a bankroll.
But there's nothing wrong with playing them, with 50 buyins.

However, with all the variance that MTT's have, I think a lot of palyers use Cash Games or STT's to maintain/build bankrolls and play the MTT's for fun and for the big opportunities. So much of MTT money is loaded in the top 3 and Final Table that if you use only the MTT for your BankRoll, I think you may play to cautiously because you "have to make the money." And this would actually hurt your over all Expectation that a more aggressive gamble style would yield.

Free Rolls don't play anytthing like Actual Buyins, so gl with adjustments

[subsin]

ok, 1st.
Chill on the Raymer stuff and save that for the General Poker Forum.

MTT"s are a tough way to build a bankroll.
But there's nothing wrong with playing them, with 50 buyins.

However, with all the variance that MTT's have, I think a lot of palyers use Cash Games or STT's to maintain/build bankrolls and play the MTT's for fun and for the big opportunities. So much of MTT money is loaded in the top 3 and Final Table that if you use only the MTT for your BankRoll, I think you may play to cautiously because you "have to make the money." And this would actually hurt your over all Expectation that a more aggressive gamble style would yield.

Free Rolls don't play anytthing like Actual Buyins, so gl with adjustments

i agree, u can depsoit 50, win a few sngs then try $5 mtt's

[sdnuol]

play 1,3,5 multis and 5 and ten sng until you are a proven winner or until you feel comfortable enough to move up levels. 30-40 sng buying and 1-200 mtt buyins is a good rule of thumb i believe.

[mikeysong]

I started w/500 and worked it up to 4.4k playing limit and bonus whoring

I suggest doing that

[matt21sz]

I'm wondering when do you realize that you want to jump in online and how much do you need. I've been playing freerolls on partypoker and have had some success. In the 250 and 300 freerolls I've finished in the money about eight times, there are about 10,000 people in these events. In the 500.00 freeroll I finished third and 39th out of 15,000 entries. I blew my 3rd place winnings in about ten minutes. I'm better at the multi table tournaments or heads up, however I read most books and magazines and realize I have a lot to learn, but seldom does anyone address when its time for a step up. Till some of you pro's anser this you can catch me at the freeroll table. BY THE WAY GREG RAYMER SUCKS OUT!

I can tell your new to the poker world. And that's not a bad thing...I remember how excited I was when I first started playing this game. I can see your excitement in your posts.

If you feel comfortable with beginning your journey into real money poker, financially, mentally, etc. I would suggest depositing $50 or whatever amount you are able to deposit.

From here, I would begin playing the smallest single table sit and go tournaments $1/$5...depends on the site you choose. Like a previous post mentioned, MTT are one of the worst ways to build a bankroll. Especially at the low-limits where we all start developing our skills for the game, they're are just so many land mines to avoid when trying to navigate through a 3000 person field. It can destroy your confidence in a heartbeat.

Single table tournaments at low-limits are great for building your bankroll. The main thing to remember, "tight is right". There is no need whatsoever to fool around with marginal hands in these. It can be boring yes, but you will make money. You will want to aim to finish in the money (top 3) each time. Once in the money, you'll want to push for 1st place. 2nd and 3rd place pay very similarly. 1st place usually pays 50% of the prizepool, so aim for it. In most STT, I would be much happier to see a bunch of 3rd places and several 1st places than very few 1sts and alot of 2nds.

Continue to read the strat forums and let us know if you have any questions. GL and we're here to help....well, most of us.

[throwemaway]

1st..Raymer is an excellent, excellent MTT player..He plays LAG and its a succesful style for him..

2nd...Building a BR through MTTs can be pretty tough..I would recommend starting w/ sng's, low level ones like $5 an $10, and after a bit of success, start adding in MTTs...I personally like the 4.40 180 person sngs on Stars, and that is almost exclusively how I've built my BR from $5 in March to $1500 where it is today..They key with MTTs is be properly bankrolled so your not trying to just squeeze into the money..These tourneys are extremely top heavy and your going to have to take (calculated) risks in order to accumulate a stack..Racing is inevitable, and if you have to do it close to the bubble, then so be it..

[matt21sz]

1st..Raymer is an excellent, excellent MTT player..He plays LAG and its a succesful style for him..

2nd...Building a BR through MTTs can be pretty tough..I would recommend starting w/ sng's, low level ones like $5 an $10, and after a bit of success, start adding in MTTs...I personally like the 4.40 180 person sngs on Stars, and that is almost exclusively how I've built my BR from $5 in March to $1500 where it is today..The key with MTTs is be properly bankrolled so your not trying to just squeeze into the money..These tourneys are extremely top heavy and your going to have to take (calculated) risks in order to accumulate a stack..Racing is inevitable, and if you have to do it close to the bubble, then so be it..

To the original poster...look at the bold part of this post. Learn it, live it, love it.

[....Ian....]

google:

bankroll managemnt
variance
EV


(feel free to add more guys)

[Squamch]

Depends on the site you use, but I, like everyone else, would suggest sit n' gos over MTT's to build your bankroll. They're quicker, and you don't have to try to not get "unlucky" for as long. It wasn't long ago that I was in the same boat as you. I started playing the freeroll sit n' gos on Everest and built my bankroll to a whopping 0.08 cents. But the site has 0.04 sit n' gos, by far the cheapest of any site I've ever seen. It doesn't matter how small your bankroll starts, because if you're good enough, it'll grow. i bring up Everest simply because I don't recommend $5 or $10 sng's on a $50 bankroll.

I don't recommend micro-limit cash games at all. It's a giant crapshoot. I think most people who start on tiny bankrolls go through sng's. And it's better practice than ring games as well, in my opinion, as you move up.

[Zach6668]

Depends on the site you use, but I, like everyone else, would suggest sit n' gos over MTT's to build your bankroll. They're quicker, and you don't have to try to not get "unlucky" for as long. It wasn't long ago that I was in the same boat as you. I started playing the freeroll sit n' gos on Everest and built my bankroll to a whopping 0.08 cents. But the site has 0.04 sit n' gos, by far the cheapest of any site I've ever seen. It doesn't matter how small your bankroll starts, because if you're good enough, it'll grow. i bring up Everest simply because I don't recommend $5 or $10 sng's on a $50 bankroll.

I don't recommend micro-limit cash games at all. It's a giant crapshoot. I think most people who start on tiny bankrolls go through sng's. And it's better practice than ring games as well, in my opinion, as you move up.

This bolded part is really wrong.

Micro-limit cash games are best because they feature the worst players. You will get sucked out on a ton, and you will feel as if it's a crap shoot, but if you play better, you will win money in the long run.

[mikeysong]

1-2 counts as micro limit right?

Get a job or something, save up til u get $500-600 and start multi-tabling 1/2 limit full ring while clearing bonuses. really, I recommend it. After about 90 hours of play I made 1k doing that

http://www.tightpoker.com/bonus/

[ErikVegas]

1-2 counts as micro limit right?

Get a job or something, save up til u get $500-600 and start multi-tabling 1/2 limit full ring while clearing bonuses. really, I recommend it. After about 90 hours of play I made 1k doing that

http://www.tightpoker.com/bonus/

And I made that much in about 9 hours last Saturday playing 6-12 with a half kill..whats your point. Your advice for this player sucks.


Erik

[ErikVegas]

The simple answer is when you feel comfortable enough with your game AND when you can afford it. I take it you are not looking to "go pro" so at this time bankroll is not really a question. Only put what you can afford to lose on whatever site you are playing on. 50 dollars is a great starting ammount but it is in no way a "bankroll", its a stake. Now you can use your stake to build a bankroll but its basically what you can lose afford to lose in a session. 50 dollars is also a good ammount to buy in for because it will aso prevent you from playing too high and getting yourself in trouble. I dont know how many time I have seen it where a new person deposits 500 or 600 like the last poster said to do, has a little bit of luck at the lower limits and next thing you know they are dumping off the entire ammount of their buy in at a 10-20 game. If you are interested in learning a fun way to build a nice sized bankroll from a 50 dollar buy in let me know and I can outline it for you.

erik

[Actuary]

And I made that much in about 9 hours last Saturday playing 6-12 with a half kill..whats your point. Your advice for this player sucks.
Erik

I tend to agree.
But I"d like to hear your reason

if it's got something to do with "your advice didn't deal with his poker situation, so why not just tell him to work for 6 Months and then he can play 6-12 with a kill?. Because tha'ts about as useful" Then I"m with ya.

[ErikVegas]

I tend to agree.
But I"d like to hear your reason

if it's got something to do with "your advice didn't deal with his poker situation, so why not just tell him to work for 6 Months and then he can play 6-12 with a kill?. Because tha'ts about as useful" Then I"m with ya.

After reading my reply I thought the same thing you did..Thats why I made the second post

[fckthis]

If you're good at MTTS, then try some of the 180man on stars. The 4.40 should give you a good taste of competition and donkeyness, and can be fairly easy to go far in. MTTS IMO are bankroll boosters, meaning when played occassionaly, if you start to finish high, it'll just increase your bankroll. To play MTTS to specifically build your rolls, is alot harder. I suggest playing NL micro stakes, and building it from there.

[kerrdog1969]

The simple answer is when you feel comfortable enough with your game AND when you can afford it. I take it you are not looking to "go pro" so at this time bankroll is not really a question. Only put what you can afford to lose on whatever site you are playing on. 50 dollars is a great starting ammount but it is in no way a "bankroll", its a stake. Now you can use your stake to build a bankroll but its basically what you can lose afford to lose in a session. 50 dollars is also a good ammount to buy in for because it will aso prevent you from playing too high and getting yourself in trouble. I dont know how many time I have seen it where a new person deposits 500 or 600 like the last poster said to do, has a little bit of luck at the lower limits and next thing you know they are dumping off the entire ammount of their buy in at a 10-20 game. If you are interested in learning a fun way to build a nice sized bankroll from a 50 dollar buy in let me know and I can outline it for you.

erik

Thanks for the info, I play in the casino about once a month. I generally play 5/10 holdem when available. I have won more than I lost in the brick and mortars. I've watched online poker for about a year and i could deposit 500.00 if I needed to. But from what I've seen onlike poker is a lot more agressive and loose. I've also seen more bad beats online than I've ever seen in a brick and mortar casino. I just didn't know if there was a general strategy or tips to help. I don't want to lose 500.00 and I feel comfortable in a brick and mortar but I guess the online thing is a little intimidating to me.