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[Verdimme]

Relevant stacksizes:

Hero ~135
SB ~ 19
Villain ~70

Im playing ABC poker, and try to LAG it up every once in a while against the right opponents. This villain seemed a reasonable TAG.

I raise 54s to 2 UTG, and the SB and Villain (BB) call.

Flop is 764r. Pot is ~6.

SB checks, Villain bets 3, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn is a Q, putting a heart draw out there. Pot is ~12

Villain bets 7, Hero calls.

River is non heart 3, giving me the straight. Pot is ~26.

Villain bets 10, I move all-in.

What type of hands do you put him on after his flop lead..? Waht do you think of the rest of the hand..? Do I need to play this more aggressively on the flop/ turn..?

[krup24]

I absolutely hate the river push. If he calls we are chopping or beat. Hes not calling with anything that doesn't tie or beat us. Villian has a decent stack size so if he has better hand we get smacked up.

Unless the turn gave me a flush draw I may fold the turn getting < 2:1 and drawing to 8 outs especially since I didn't raise the flop.

[fckthis]

Umm, dont push the non nuts. I raise 2.5-3x his bet.

[DrawingDeadInDM]

Please raise somewhere before the river.

[fckthis]

Please raise somewhere before the river.

like the flop.

[Verdimme]

Ok guys, ya'll want me to raise somewhere. What does this raise accomplish..?

What is his range for leading the flop..?

Against which hands of his flop leading range do I have FE..?

What is my equity anyway in this pot..?

How big should that raise be..?

How should I act if he just calls my raise on the flop, or turn..?

I know, lots of questions but I hope you guys can help me out here.

[Naismith]

I raise to 10-12 on the flop, not just because I want to take the pot there, but I want to set my price to see the river. As it turned out, raising to 10 would've cost the same amount to get to the river as it currently played out, but you also add in the fold equity for the times he lets it go on the flop.

I wouldn't want to give up control of this hand and I definitely want him checking to me on the turn if he calls the flop so I can decide to go ahead with the semi-semi-bluff or take a free card.

[GoCryWolfe]

I don't like seeeing the guy say "not pushing the non-nuts." Hero raised PF, I don't see vilian calling with 85.

Secondly, I do agree with not pushing. A raise to say 25 or so may be better than a push IMO.

[fckthis]

I don't like seeeing the guy say "not pushing the non-nuts." Hero raised PF, I don't see vilian calling with 85.

Secondly, I do agree with not pushing. A raise to say 25 or so may be better than a push IMO.

I guess I did jump the gun with my statement.

[Lavitz]

I absolutely hate the river push. If he calls we are chopping or beat. Hes not calling with anything that doesn't tie or beat us. Villian has a decent stack size so if he has better hand we get smacked up.

Unless the turn gave me a flush draw I may fold the turn getting < 2:1 and drawing to 8 outs especially since I didn't raise the flop.

The likelihood we're beat by flopped straight is low. More often were looking at two pair or a flopped set and if we push river it looks more like bluff with overcards or a Q then a straight.

Why? Because we raised preflop from UTG and we have been playing TAG. That means were not raising any hand with a 5 in it normally

[The Nuts]

Raise the turn.

Villain has lead on flop and turn. He's got something that he's willing to call a raise with.

On the river, I don't push. Raise, yes. But no push. Pushing would probably force a fold unless your opponent has a five as well. In other words, you push out all the hands that you beat and will only get called if there's a chop pot.

My guess that villain either has a set or had 55 and hit the straight as well.

You're definitely not beat. The only hand that beats you is 85, and if your opponent is TAG, then he won't be playing that.

[Verdimme]

I raise to 10-12 on the flop, not just because I want to take the pot there, but I want to set my price to see the river. As it turned out, raising to 10 would've cost the same amount to get to the river as it currently played out, but you also add in the fold equity for the times he lets it go on the flop.

I wouldn't want to give up control of this hand and I definitely want him checking to me on the turn if he calls the flop so I can decide to go ahead with the semi-semi-bluff or take a free card.

I like this. We are folding to a push, I presume.

People faulting the river move probably play higher then 50 NL. A standard villain pays off here with every set and a few two pairs.

Villain has lead on flop and turn. He's got something that he's willing to call a raise with.

Why raise..? Probably the only outs that are really clean are my straight outs. So if he has something he probably won't be laying it down, and I'm putting in money as an underdog.