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[Jordan]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Button ($902.57)
SB ($571.17)
BB ($644.74)
UTG ($536.37) 33/13/1 after 115ish hands
Hero ($583.32)
CO ($385.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J , 9 . SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($14) 7 , 5 , 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12, BB folds, UTG calls $12.

Turn: ($38) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $32, UTG raises to $64, Hero ....

- Jordan

[DonkSlayer]

Jordan lets his bar drop all the way down before calling so when the river does not bring a club, he has a cheap decision to make.

[fckthis]

Takes the good price to possibly punish a dumbass.

[nomad_monad]

just calls. good price + probably not much fold equity on a reraise if villain is raising this turn with an aggression factor of only 1.

[MasterLJ]

Takes the good price to possibly punish a dumbass.

QFT.

The 2nd most obvious draw hit. Even at that level, he's going to have a hard time putting down the straight to your flush.

[CobaltBlue]

Jordan lets his bar drop all the way down before calling so when the river does not bring a club, he has a cheap decision to make.

Takes the good price to possibly punish a dumbass.

I agree with both of these.

I'm also curious why we're betting so much. Might be personal preference, but since we're the ones drawing, it's not like we're "protecting" anything on the flop. Seems like we could get by with a smaller semi-bluff. On the turn, we've got value, but we've still got our draw to fall back on...so again, I don't see the need for the somewhat large bet.

Also, I think the big question here is what we're going to do on various rivers. We're quite thrilled with a club or T, but how are we going to feel if a J/9/6 comes off? (I assume we're folding any other river.) Enough discipline to fold those?

Great Implied Odds Cards:
3: Th, Td, Ts

Good Implied Odds Cards:
9: Ac, Kc, Qc, Tc, 8c, 6c, 4c, 3c, 2c

Decent Implied Odds Cards:
1: 5c

Possible Reverse Implied Odds Cards:
9: Jh, Jd, Js, 9h, 9d, 9s, 6h, 6d, 6s

P.S. We need to work on your sucky thread titles.

[petersun]

I'm also curious why we're betting so much. Might be personal preference, but since we're the ones drawing, it's not like we're "protecting" anything on the flop. Seems like we could get by with a smaller semi-bluff. On the turn, we've got value, but we've still got our draw to fall back on...so again, I don't see the need for the somewhat large bet.

I'd guess he's building value for his flush.

I agree with everyone else. A call is pretty much manditory here, but I'm sure you knew that.

I bet you pushed didn't you? You're sick

[iggymcfly]

I think that this is definitely just a call. We've only got 12 clean outs and I don't think our fold equity is really that good against a turn C/R. Also, if we hit one of our clean outs, I think we stand a pretty good chance of getting paid whereas our dirty outs will definitely be worth a call on the river.

Oh, and the reason the bets are large in relation to the pot on the flop and the turn (I'd assume) is because we're ahead and looking for value. We've got between 15 and 21 outs on the flop, and on the turn we have TP+FD that is ahead much more often than not.

[Jordan]

I think that this is definitely just a call. We've only got 12 clean outs and I don't think our fold equity is really that good against a turn C/R. Also, if we hit one of our clean outs, I think we stand a pretty good chance of getting paid whereas our dirty outs will definitely be worth a call on the river.

Oh, and the reason the bets are large in relation to the pot on the flop and the turn (I'd assume) is because we're ahead and looking for value. We've got between 15 and 21 outs on the flop, and on the turn we have TP+FD that is ahead much more often than not.

Yea, I was wondering if anyone here would hate a push? I kinda would...of course if he plays back at me on the flop I push all day, on the turn I thought I had to slow down, as there are obvious straights he may have that he won't fold to a push, and thus really hurting my "outs" that I consider live.

I did just call, river.....

River: ($166) 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $150

Final Pot: $466

I was debating overbetting this river as I was certain I was best and certain he had quite a strong hand, but then I just decided to basically bet near the pot....anyone else agree that this was a good place to overbet all in? Or do most prefer betting strong, but not potentially pushing him off his hand completely?

- Jordan

[Dratj]

Yea, I was wondering if anyone here would hate a push? I kinda would...of course if he plays back at me on the flop I push all day, on the turn I thought I had to slow down, as there are obvious straights he may have that he won't fold to a push, and thus really hurting my "outs" that I consider live.

I did just call, river.....

River: ($166) 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $150

Final Pot: $466

I was debating overbetting this river as I was certain I was best and certain he had quite a strong hand, but then I just decided to basically bet near the pot....anyone else agree that this was a good place to overbet all in? Or do most prefer betting strong, but not potentially pushing him off his hand completely?



- Jordan

Bet strong but not all in. I think he flopped a set, you probably will get paid.

[krup24]

River is perfect

well played hand

[spikymarv99]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Button ($902.57)
SB ($571.17)
BB ($644.74)
UTG ($536.37) 33/13/1 after 115ish hands
Hero ($583.32)
CO ($385.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J , 9 . SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($14) 7 , 5 , 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12, BB folds, UTG calls $12.

Turn: ($38) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $32, UTG raises to $64, Hero ....

- Jordan

My normal responses is usually push, but I think this is a call. Villan probably has a big hand and it doesn't seem like you have fold equity. Call the min raise and see if you can hit.

Yea, I was wondering if anyone here would hate a push? I kinda would...of course if he plays back at me on the flop I push all day, on the turn I thought I had to slow down, as there are obvious straights he may have that he won't fold to a push, and thus really hurting my "outs" that I consider live.

I did just call, river.....

River: ($166) 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $150

Final Pot: $466

I was debating overbetting this river as I was certain I was best and certain he had quite a strong hand, but then I just decided to basically bet near the pot....anyone else agree that this was a good place to overbet all in? Or do most prefer betting strong, but not potentially pushing him off his hand completely?

- Jordan

How much to bet depends on how good villan is. There are spots where I push this river and other times I make a 3/4 bet. It depends on villan and your read is better than mine. A rule of thumb... if villan will call a pot or close to it, he will also call a push. If he called your pot bet, make a note of it and push next time.

[Jordan]

He called and showed 77.

Good job protecting...

- Jordan

[iggymcfly]

Excellent hand. I love the people that min-raise their monsters.

[Naismith]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

Button ($902.57)
SB ($571.17)
BB ($644.74)
UTG ($536.37) 33/13/1 after 115ish hands
Hero ($583.32)
CO ($385.40)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J , 9 . SB posts a blind of $2.
UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($14) 7 , 5 , 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12, BB folds, UTG calls $12.

Turn: ($38) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $32, UTG raises to $64, Hero ....

- Jordan

Eh, in the heat of the game, I'd probably push, but that's because I'm a semi-bluffing fanatic. That said, this looks like a horrendously played set to me. If it is, the villain shouldn't be allowed to play pocket pairs in the future.

Outside the "heat of the game", this is a pretty obvious call and then fold on the river unimproved. It looks like you need to hit the 10 or the flush to win this pot. If you hit either, I would overbet my entire stack. If he has the straight and you hit the 10, you're chopping and you might be able to get him to fold, although that won't ever happen. If he has the set, he's so bad, he's going to call anyway.