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[Suited_Up]

Hey guys... I just recently went over to pokerstars with the whole BR... and although I haven't lost bad or anything... I am getting sucked out on with amazing frequency. And running big hand into big hand real often. I just want you guys to look through these and let me know if I suck or really just have the worst luck ever.I was told maybe I should post some HH's just to see if there's a flaw somewhere, so I'll try to pick out a few key ones without boring you with a ton. Thanks.Ok, this is a 6 max table, so keep in mind I'm playing for a shorthanded game and may be more aggressive with some hands, since it takes less to win pots generally.These are also in order. I went in the room with $20... and watch it go down real good here. P.S. Please give good feedback without being a jerk about it, thanks.PokerStars Game #1369528258: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:37:47 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($63.75 in chips) Seat 2: kewo ($23 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($32 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($28.50 in chips) Seat 5: erwboy ($11.75 in chips) Seat 6: PillarofClay ($27.75 in chips) kewo: posts small blind $0.25x_SuitedUp_x: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Qc Th]guido5001: calls $0.50erwboy: folds PillarofClay: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: calls $0.50kewo: calls $0.25x_SuitedUp_x: checks *** FLOP *** [2c 9h Tc]kewo: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50PillarofClay: folds Ace Cooley: calls $0.50kewo: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [2c 9h Tc] [7c]kewo: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1Ace Cooley: calls $1kewo: folds *** RIVER *** [2c 9h Tc 7c] [Kd]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1Ace Cooley: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***x_SuitedUp_x: shows [Qc Th] (a pair of Tens)guido5001: shows [4c 3c] (a flush, Ten high)guido5001 collected $9.25 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $9.50 | Rake $0.25 Board [2c 9h Tc 7c Kd]Seat 1: Ace Cooley (button) folded on the RiverSeat 2: kewo (small blind) folded on the TurnSeat 3: x_SuitedUp_x (big blind) showed [Qc Th] and lost with a pair of TensSeat 4: guido5001 showed [4c 3c] and won ($9.25) with a flush, Ten highSeat 5: erwboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: PillarofClay folded on the FlopPokerStars Game #1369549042: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:43:00 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($56.25 in chips) Seat 2: kewo ($20.75 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($38.25 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($24.25 in chips) Seat 5: erwboy ($20.75 in chips) Seat 6: PillarofClay ($24.75 in chips) x_SuitedUp_x: posts small blind $0.25guido5001: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Jc Js]erwboy: folds PillarofClay: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: folds kewo: calls $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1guido5001: calls $0.50PillarofClay: calls $0.50kewo: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [8d Ts 3s]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50PillarofClay: folds kewo: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [8d Ts 3s] [6c]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1kewo: folds *** RIVER *** [8d Ts 3s 6c] [Kh]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: raises $1 to $2x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***guido5001: shows [Th Kc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)x_SuitedUp_x: mucks hand guido5001 collected $11 from potx_SuitedUp_x said, "lol"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $11.50 | Rake $0.50 Board [8d Ts 3s 6c Kh]Seat 1: Ace Cooley folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: kewo (button) folded on the TurnSeat 3: x_SuitedUp_x (small blind) mucked [Jc Js]Seat 4: guido5001 (big blind) showed [Th Kc] and won ($11) with two pair, Kingsand TensSeat 5: erwboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: PillarofClay folded on the FlopPokerStars Game #1369562089: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:46:21 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($54.25 in chips) Seat 2: kewo ($21 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($36 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($30.50 in chips) Seat 5: erwboy ($20 in chips) Seat 6: PillarofClay ($22 in chips) kewo: posts small blind $0.25x_SuitedUp_x: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Ts Td]guido5001: folds erwboy: folds PillarofClay: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: folds kewo: raises $0.50 to $1x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1.50PillarofClay: calls $1kewo: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [9s 4h 5s]kewo: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50PillarofClay: raises $0.50 to $1kewo: folds x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1.50PillarofClay: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [9s 4h 5s] [Qd]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1PillarofClay: calls $1*** RIVER *** [9s 4h 5s Qd] [7d]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1PillarofClay: raises $1 to $2x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***PillarofClay: shows [9h 7h] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)x_SuitedUp_x: mucks hand PillarofClay collected $13 from potx_SuitedUp_x said, "lol"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $13.50 | Rake $0.50 Board [9s 4h 5s Qd 7d]Seat 1: Ace Cooley (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: kewo (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 3: x_SuitedUp_x (big blind) mucked [Ts Td]Seat 4: guido5001 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: erwboy folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: PillarofClay showed [9h 7h] and won ($13) with two pair, Nines andSevensPokerStars Game #1369604209: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:57:26 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($42 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($32 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($67.75 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($12.25 in chips) x_SuitedUp_x: posts small blind $0.25guido5001: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Jc 9c]cleaner89: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: calls $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.25guido5001: checks *** FLOP *** [Th 4h Tc]x_SuitedUp_x: checks guido5001: checks cleaner89: checks Ace Cooley: checks *** TURN *** [Th 4h Tc] [Qs]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1cleaner89: calls $1Ace Cooley: folds *** RIVER *** [Th 4h Tc Qs] [8h]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1cleaner89: raises $1 to $2x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1guido5001: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***cleaner89: shows [Qh 9h] (a flush, Queen high)x_SuitedUp_x: mucks hand guido5001: mucks hand cleaner89 collected $10.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $11 | Rake $0.50 Board [Th 4h Tc Qs 8h]Seat 1: Ace Cooley (button) folded on the TurnSeat 3: x_SuitedUp_x (small blind) mucked [Jc 9c]Seat 4: guido5001 (big blind) mucked [Ad 2d]Seat 5: cleaner89 showed [Qh 9h] and won ($10.50) with a flush, Queen highPokerStars Game #1369608486: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:58:35 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($41.50 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($28.50 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($63.25 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($20.25 in chips) cleaner89: posts small blind $0.25Ace Cooley: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Jh Ts]x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50cleaner89: calls $0.25Ace Cooley: checks *** FLOP *** [9c 8h Jd]cleaner89: checks Ace Cooley: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50guido5001: folds cleaner89: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: folds *** TURN *** [9c 8h Jd] [Th]cleaner89: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1cleaner89: calls $1*** RIVER *** [9c 8h Jd Th] [5s]cleaner89: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1beerman59 joins the table at seat #2 cleaner89: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***x_SuitedUp_x: shows [Jh Ts] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)cleaner89: shows [5d 7h] (a straight, Seven to Jack)cleaner89 collected $6.75 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $7 | Rake $0.25 Board [9c 8h Jd Th 5s]Seat 1: Ace Cooley (big blind) folded on the FlopSeat 3: x_SuitedUp_x showed [Jh Ts] and lost with two pair, Jacks and TensSeat 4: guido5001 (button) folded on the FlopSeat 5: cleaner89 (small blind) showed [5d 7h] and won ($6.75) with a straight,Seven to JackPokerStars Game #1369612803: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:59:45 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($40.75 in chips) Seat 2: beerman59 ($2.50 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($25.50 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($62.75 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($26.50 in chips) beerman59: posts small blind $0.25x_SuitedUp_x: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [6h Ac]guido5001: calls $0.50cleaner89: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: folds beerman59: raises $0.50 to $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50cleaner89: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [6c 6s Qs]beerman59: bets $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50cleaner89: folds *** TURN *** [6c 6s Qs] [5s]beerman59: bets $1 and is all-inx_SuitedUp_x: calls $1guido5001: raises $1 to $2x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** RIVER *** [6c 6s Qs 5s] [Jh]x_SuitedUp_x: checks guido5001: bets $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***guido5001: shows [Ts 9s] (a flush, Queen high)miamiluvr joins the table at seat #6 x_SuitedUp_x: mucks hand guido5001 collected $3.75 from side potbeerman59: mucks hand guido5001 collected $8.25 from main potbeerman59 leaves the table*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $12.50 Main pot $8.25. Side pot $3.75. | Rake $0.50 Board [6c 6s Qs 5s Jh]Seat 1: Ace Cooley (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: beerman59 (small blind) mucked [Ks Kc]Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x (big blind) mucked [6h Ac]Seat 4: guido5001 showed [Ts 9s] and won ($12) with a flush, Queen highSeat 5: cleaner89 folded on the FlopPokerStars Game #1369694334: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -02:23:46 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: catwomaplo ($8 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($14 in chips) Seat 4: ringo59 ($10 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($49.50 in chips) Seat 6: DeadManMac ($8.25 in chips) x_SuitedUp_x: posts small blind $0.25ringo59: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Kc Ks]cleaner89: calls $0.50DeadManMac: folds catwomaplo: calls $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1ringo59: calls $0.50cleaner89: calls $0.50catwomaplo: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [Td 5s Qc]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50ringo59: calls $0.50cleaner89: raises $0.50 to $1catwomaplo: folds x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1.50ringo59: calls $1cleaner89: raises $0.50 to $2Betting is cappedx_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50ringo59: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [Td 5s Qc] [9s]x_SuitedUp_x: checks ringo59: checks cleaner89: checks *** RIVER *** [Td 5s Qc 9s] [6d]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1ringo59: calls $1cleaner89: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***x_SuitedUp_x: shows [Kc Ks] (a pair of Kings)ringo59: shows [7d 8c] (a straight, Six to Ten)cleaner89: shows [Qh 5h] (two pair, Queens and Fives)ringo59 collected $12.50 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $13 | Rake $0.50 Board [Td 5s Qc 9s 6d]Seat 2: catwomaplo (button) folded on the FlopSeat 3: x_SuitedUp_x (small blind) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a pair of KingsSeat 4: ringo59 (big blind) showed [7d 8c] and won ($12.50) with a straight, Sixto TenSeat 5: cleaner89 showed [Qh 5h] and lost with two pair, Queens and FivesSeat 6: DeadManMac folded before Flop (didn't bet)PokerStars Game #1369705415: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -02:27:13 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: bigfrig ($6.50 in chips) Seat 2: catwomaplo ($6.25 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($15.50 in chips) Seat 4: ringo59 ($17 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($42.75 in chips) Seat 6: TheRock2004 ($15.50 in chips) x_SuitedUp_x: posts small blind $0.25ringo59: posts big blind $0.50TheRock2004: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Qd 4h]cleaner89: calls $0.50TheRock2004: checks bigfrig: calls $0.50catwomaplo: calls $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.25ringo59: checks *** FLOP *** [5h Qs 4c]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50ringo59: calls $0.50cleaner89: folds TheRock2004: calls $0.50bigfrig: calls $0.50catwomaplo: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [5h Qs 4c] [7c]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1ringo59: raises $1 to $2TheRock2004: folds bigfrig: folds catwomaplo: folds x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** RIVER *** [5h Qs 4c 7c] [3c]x_SuitedUp_x: checks ringo59: bets $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***ringo59: shows [6c Qh] (a straight, Three to Seven)x_SuitedUp_x: mucks hand ringo59 collected $11 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $11.50 | Rake $0.50 Board [5h Qs 4c 7c 3c]Seat 1: bigfrig folded on the TurnSeat 2: catwomaplo (button) folded on the TurnSeat 3: x_SuitedUp_x (small blind) mucked [Qd 4h]Seat 4: ringo59 (big blind) showed [6c Qh] and won ($11) with a straight, Threeto SevenSeat 5: cleaner89 folded on the FlopSeat 6: TheRock2004 folded on the TurnPokerStars Game #1369717334: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -02:31:00 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 2: catwomaplo ($4.50 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($12.50 in chips) Seat 4: Grouch13 ($9 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($43.75 in chips) Seat 6: TheRock2004 ($11.75 in chips) cleaner89: posts small blind $0.25TheRock2004: posts big blind $0.50chewmanji: sits out *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [As Qd]catwomaplo: folds x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1Grouch13: folds cleaner89: raises $0.50 to $1.50TheRock2004: folds x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [Tc 4c Ad]cleaner89: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50cleaner89: raises $0.50 to $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [Tc 4c Ad] [4d]cleaner89: bets $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** RIVER *** [Tc 4c Ad 4d] [9s]cleaner89: bets $1x_SuitedUp_x: raises $1 to $2cleaner89: raises $1 to $3x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***cleaner89: shows [Th Td] (a full house, Tens full of Fours)x_SuitedUp_x: mucks hand cleaner89 collected $13 from potx_SuitedUp_x said, "nh"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $13.50 | Rake $0.50 Board [Tc 4c Ad 4d 9s]Seat 2: catwomaplo folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x mucked [As Qd]Seat 4: Grouch13 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: cleaner89 (small blind) showed [Th Td] and won ($13) with a full house,Tens full of FoursSeat 6: TheRock2004 (big blind) folded before Flop

[wrto4556]

Most of it is bad luck, but there is some bad plays in there, too. Fold A6o in the BB. Fold Q5o from the small blind. Lead the turn with KK. And 3-bet with AQ, call a cap-lead the turn, call the raise-check/call the river. Don't go haywire. Why were you raising the river with AQ??

[Absolute]

wrto4556 said:

most of it is bad luck, but there is some bad plays in there, too. Fold A6o in the BB. Fold Q5o from the small blind. Lead the turn with KK. And 3-bet with AQ, call a cap-lead the turn, call the raise-check/call the river. Don't go haywire. Why were you raising the river with AQ??

He cant lead the turn.I would prefer a raise on the turn, and call the 3-bet if it occurs. Other than that, I think he played the AQ hand perfectly.

[KDawgCometh]

PokerStars Game #1369528258: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:37:47 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($63.75 in chips) Seat 2: kewo ($23 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($32 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($28.50 in chips) Seat 5: erwboy ($11.75 in chips) Seat 6: PillarofClay ($27.75 in chips) kewo: posts small blind $0.25x_SuitedUp_x: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Qc Th]guido5001: calls $0.50erwboy: folds PillarofClay: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: calls $0.50kewo: calls $0.25x_SuitedUp_x: checks *** FLOP *** [2c 9h Tc]kewo: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50PillarofClay: folds Ace Cooley: calls $0.50kewo: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [2c 9h Tc] [7c]kewo: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1Ace Cooley: calls $1kewo: folds *** RIVER *** [2c 9h Tc 7c] [Kd]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1Ace Cooley: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***looks fine. No one showed aggression when the lush card hit so you would ten to think your okayPokerStars Game #1369549042: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:43:00 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($56.25 in chips) Seat 2: kewo ($20.75 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($38.25 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($24.25 in chips) Seat 5: erwboy ($20.75 in chips) Seat 6: PillarofClay ($24.75 in chips) x_SuitedUp_x: posts small blind $0.25guido5001: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Jc Js]erwboy: folds PillarofClay: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: folds kewo: calls $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1guido5001: calls $0.50PillarofClay: calls $0.50kewo: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [8d Ts 3s]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50PillarofClay: folds kewo: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [8d Ts 3s] [6c]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1kewo: folds *** RIVER *** [8d Ts 3s 6c] [Kh]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: raises $1 to $2x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***good job not threebeting this river. It sucks when someone has been passive the whole way and then wakes up on the river. looks finePokerStars Game #1369562089: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:46:21 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($54.25 in chips) Seat 2: kewo ($21 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($36 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($30.50 in chips) Seat 5: erwboy ($20 in chips) Seat 6: PillarofClay ($22 in chips) kewo: posts small blind $0.25x_SuitedUp_x: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Ts Td]guido5001: folds erwboy: folds PillarofClay: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: folds kewo: raises $0.50 to $1x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1.50PillarofClay: calls $1kewo: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [9s 4h 5s]kewo: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50PillarofClay: raises $0.50 to $1kewo: folds x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1.50PillarofClay: calls $0.50*** TURN *** [9s 4h 5s] [Qd]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1PillarofClay: calls $1*** RIVER *** [9s 4h 5s Qd] [7d]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1PillarofClay: raises $1 to $2x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***looks like he backed into a straight or a set on the river. I like how you played thisPokerStars Game #1369604209: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:57:26 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($42 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($32 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($67.75 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($12.25 in chips) x_SuitedUp_x: posts small blind $0.25guido5001: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Jc 9c]cleaner89: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: calls $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.25guido5001: checks *** FLOP *** [Th 4h Tc]x_SuitedUp_x: checks guido5001: checks cleaner89: checks Ace Cooley: checks *** TURN *** [Th 4h Tc] [Qs]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1cleaner89: calls $1Ace Cooley: folds I think you should've checked here. your pot equity isn't all that high in relation to the size of the pot, and there is nearly no fold equity. check calling here is probably the smartest play. A CR could work too if there were morepeople in the pot. Remember 20% of the time your going to hit this hand and two of those cards are flush cards if someone passivly played a flush draw*** RIVER *** [Th 4h Tc Qs] [8h]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1guido5001: calls $1cleaner89: raises $1 to $2x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1guido5001: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***yup. Someone passivly played a flush draw, kinda surprising at this limitPokerStars Game #1369608486: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:58:35 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($41.50 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($28.50 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($63.25 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($20.25 in chips) cleaner89: posts small blind $0.25Ace Cooley: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Jh Ts]x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50cleaner89: calls $0.25Ace Cooley: checks don't play J10o normally, but it does look likes its four handed, wheich really means do't play this hand. In shorthanded games you need to concentrate on Broadway cards more and riase with them. This hand still goes in teh mid connector range and should be played either out of the blinds or on the CO or Button for a limp*** FLOP *** [9c 8h Jd]cleaner89: checks Ace Cooley: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50guido5001: folds cleaner89: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: folds *** TURN *** [9c 8h Jd] [Th]cleaner89: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1cleaner89: calls $1*** RIVER *** [9c 8h Jd Th] [5s]cleaner89: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1beerman59 joins the table at seat #2 cleaner89: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***looks fine to me, other than your PF call. I don't see too much wrong with thisPokerStars Game #1369612803: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -01:59:45 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: Ace Cooley ($40.75 in chips) Seat 2: beerman59 ($2.50 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($25.50 in chips) Seat 4: guido5001 ($62.75 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($26.50 in chips) beerman59: posts small blind $0.25x_SuitedUp_x: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [6h Ac]guido5001: calls $0.50cleaner89: calls $0.50Ace Cooley: folds beerman59: raises $0.50 to $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50cleaner89: calls $0.50don't defend your blind with this crap, even shorthanded*** FLOP *** [6c 6s Qs]beerman59: bets $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50guido5001: calls $0.50cleaner89: folds you have to raise. You want to get the flush draws out. You should rearely slowplay trips. The main reason will be that people will call because they won't believe you. In this case you need to raise on the flop to protect your hand. Sorry, but your asking to get beaten on this hand*** TURN *** [6c 6s Qs] [5s]beerman59: bets $1 and is all-inx_SuitedUp_x: calls $1guido5001: raises $1 to $2x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1see what not raising on the flop does. By raising on the flop you are at least amking him pay double to draw at his flush, you let him get in cheap*** RIVER *** [6c 6s Qs 5s] [Jh]x_SuitedUp_x: checks guido5001: bets $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***this is the first hand where I've seen a major leak. You deserved to lose this hand. He still would've been correct to draw at the flush even with a raise, but you could at least make him pay double. DOn't slowplay trips on a two flushed or striaght possible flop, your only asking to lose the potPokerStars Game #1369694334: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -02:23:46 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 2: catwomaplo ($8 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($14 in chips) Seat 4: ringo59 ($10 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($49.50 in chips) Seat 6: DeadManMac ($8.25 in chips) x_SuitedUp_x: posts small blind $0.25ringo59: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Kc Ks]cleaner89: calls $0.50DeadManMac: folds catwomaplo: calls $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1ringo59: calls $0.50cleaner89: calls $0.50catwomaplo: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [Td 5s Qc]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50ringo59: calls $0.50cleaner89: raises $0.50 to $1catwomaplo: folds x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1.50ringo59: calls $1cleaner89: raises $0.50 to $2Betting is cappedx_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50ringo59: calls $0.50this reeks of two pair here for the other guy, I like your aggression though*** TURN *** [Td 5s Qc] [9s]x_SuitedUp_x: checks ringo59: checks cleaner89: checks *** RIVER *** [Td 5s Qc 9s] [6d]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1ringo59: calls $1cleaner89: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***thats funny. I like how you played it. You slowed down in the face of aggression and then tried for a value bet on the river when they slowed down tooPokerStars Game #1369705415: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -02:27:13 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #2 is the buttonSeat 1: bigfrig ($6.50 in chips) Seat 2: catwomaplo ($6.25 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($15.50 in chips) Seat 4: ringo59 ($17 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($42.75 in chips) Seat 6: TheRock2004 ($15.50 in chips) x_SuitedUp_x: posts small blind $0.25ringo59: posts big blind $0.50TheRock2004: posts big blind $0.50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [Qd 4h]cleaner89: calls $0.50TheRock2004: checks bigfrig: calls $0.50catwomaplo: calls $0.50x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.25ringo59: checks I don't see any reason not to muck this hand. THis hand isn't even worth the pixels its on. Muck it PF even in the SB, its crap*** FLOP *** [5h Qs 4c]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50ringo59: calls $0.50cleaner89: folds TheRock2004: calls $0.50bigfrig: calls $0.50catwomaplo: calls $0.50honestly, you could've CRed this flop. Maybe thats a little fancy though. I don't mind the bet either*** TURN *** [5h Qs 4c] [7c]x_SuitedUp_x: bets $1ringo59: raises $1 to $2TheRock2004: folds bigfrig: folds catwomaplo: folds x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1odd. Do you think he could be holding 68 or 36, maybe even Q7. I say threebet it here to find out more*** RIVER *** [5h Qs 4c 7c] [3c]x_SuitedUp_x: checks ringo59: bets $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***you should've mucked PF, that being said I think you played it okPokerStars Game #1369717334: Hold'em Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/03/17 -02:31:00 (ET)Table 'Meliboea' Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 2: catwomaplo ($4.50 in chips) Seat 3: x_SuitedUp_x ($12.50 in chips) Seat 4: Grouch13 ($9 in chips) Seat 5: cleaner89 ($43.75 in chips) Seat 6: TheRock2004 ($11.75 in chips) cleaner89: posts small blind $0.25TheRock2004: posts big blind $0.50chewmanji: sits out *** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to x_SuitedUp_x [As Qd]catwomaplo: folds x_SuitedUp_x: raises $0.50 to $1Grouch13: folds cleaner89: raises $0.50 to $1.50TheRock2004: folds x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50*** FLOP *** [Tc 4c Ad]cleaner89: checks x_SuitedUp_x: bets $0.50cleaner89: raises $0.50 to $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $0.50This is a good place to threebet it. He could have AK, but he could also have KK or QQ to which you have him badly beaten. He could be raising to figure out where he's at, so threebet it, you have TPSBK(secondbest)*** TURN *** [Tc 4c Ad] [4d]cleaner89: bets $1x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1still think you should raise, playing weaktight is never any fun*** RIVER *** [Tc 4c Ad 4d] [9s]cleaner89: bets $1x_SuitedUp_x: raises $1 to $2cleaner89: raises $1 to $3x_SuitedUp_x: calls $1*** SHOW DOWN ***seriously, what makes you decide to start raising here, kinda out of the blue. its clear he has AK, but you could'v efound that out cheaper by doing this on the flopfinally, I cut out the results before I could look at them. Don't include them as people will analyze based on your results and not always on how you actually played the hand. THe results only matter for your own ego, its more important on how you played the hand.; Things look fine for the most part so your just going through normal variation

[KDawgCometh]

Absolute said:

wrto4556 said:

most of it is bad luck, but there is some bad plays in there, too. Fold A6o in the BB. Fold Q5o from the small blind. Lead the turn with KK. And 3-bet with AQ, call a cap-lead the turn, call the raise-check/call the river. Don't go haywire. Why were you raising the river with AQ??

He cant lead the turn.I would prefer a raise on the turn, and call the 3-bet if it occurs. Other than that, I think he played the AQ hand perfectly.

sorry, but I really don't agree with you on that one. I normally like what you say Absolute, but WRTO and I are right on the AQ hand. He is just as likely to have KK or QQ and be raising to find out where he's at. Only AK beats you given the PF betting so your ahead 2/3 times here, raise

[BigMoney74]

I believe it is an insidious plot by Poker Stars to cheat you out of your $9.13. Try playing in a live game.

[Smasharoo]

sorry, but I really don't agree with you on that one. I normally like what you say Absolute, but WRTO and I are right on the AQ hand. He is just as likely to have KK or QQ and be raising to find out where he's at. Only AK beats you given the PF betting so your ahead 2/3 times here, raiseWhat?AA beats you too, no? Also TT, also ATs..2/3 of the time? Just call it down. It's heads up, what's the benefit of raising? You guys *really* need to stop raising/betting because you don't know what else to do when it's not for value.Do you want to raise into KK and have him fold the turn or do you want him to bet it hte whole way? Are you going to fold when he caps here with AA or TT?Know why you're rasing other than incorrect estimates of how often you have the best hand.

[Suited_Up]

Smasharoo said:

sorry, but I really don't agree with you on that one. I normally like what you say Absolute, but WRTO and I are right on the AQ hand. He is just as likely to have KK or QQ and be raising to find out where he's at. Only AK beats you given the PF betting so your ahead 2/3 times here, raiseWhat?AA beats you too, no? Also TT, also ATs..2/3 of the time? Just call it down. It's heads up, what's the benefit of raising? You guys *really* need to stop raising/betting because you don't know what else to do when it's not for value.Do you want to raise into KK and have him fold the turn or do you want him to bet it hte whole way? Are you going to fold when he caps here with AA or TT?Know why you're rasing other than incorrect estimates of how often you have the best hand.

Thanks for all the input so far guys. But I kind of agree with smash on this one. I think you might be giving people too much credit for making plays just because you will play them that way. I just think that most people don't though. And I raised on the river with the AQ because I really just thought I was still best. Obviously I was wrong, but I think a lot of times, people will play worse hands the same way. I guess I should just stop trying to really read hands and play it the same way all the time. I should have just called it down I think.Also... I'm having a lot of trouble with players on stars who will just weak call best hands all the way down, making me think my more marginal hand is good and i'm losing money betting into them when they will never raise TPTK or even over pairs. Any thoughts?Example. I have 10-10 Raise from LP and get 2 callers. Flop is 85J.... I bet out, and get one caller. Turn is 2... So I bet out again thinking he's just a calling station (Which i ran into a lot of at the 6max tables)... and he ends up having KJ or something. And just never showed any strength.

[Smasharoo]

Thanks for all the input so far guys. But I kind of agree with smash on this one.REally?Hang on, let me look at it again, maybe I'm wrong...

[KDawgCometh]

my bad, I difn't for some reason think about AA or 1010, which are obviously threebeting hands PF(I think its cause I did this right after I woke up). I can't see someone raising with A10 PF and he did't give any reads on the villian here, so I'm gonna go ahead and figure that they wouldn't do that with that hand. I still feel raising the flop is the best move as it is to gain information, you ask me that is certainly valuable, especially since Suited up decided to do it on the river, so he lost two BBs when he could've done the raise on the flop and only lose one BB(so he gains by doing that), so how is not raising the flop smart smash. You are raising to gain information. I just don't see how playing this passivly is the smart play

[Smasharoo]

You are raising to gain information.And doing what with it?You're not raising to get information, you're raising because you don't know what else to do.Sometimes calling down is the right thing to do. Raising here is just stupid, it's not agressive, it's not real usefull, it's just dumb.It's not passive to call down, it's correct.

[wrto4556]

It's a value bet against AJ or A-rag, no?

[Smasharoo]

It's a value bet against AJ or A-rag, no?So is capping pre-flop, no?Why didn't that happen?Because you don't make plays against a specefic hand, you make them against the range of possible hands.

[Suited_Up]

wrto4556 said:

It's a value bet against AJ or A-rag, no?

That's essentially what my river raise was. I thought I was ahead and waited till a big bet to do it. Bad move I guess.

[wrto4556]

Smasharoo said:

It's a value bet against AJ or A-rag, no?So is capping pre-flop, no?Why didn't that happen?Because you don't make plays against a specefic hand, you make them against the range of possible hands.

Villain 3-bet preflop. It's silly to 3-bet the flop.What about if Villain just called preflop and then raised you on the flop? Do you 3-bet or just call fearing some wierd two pair?

[Suited_Up]

wrto4556 said:

Smasharoo said:

It's a value bet against AJ or A-rag, no?So is capping pre-flop, no?Why didn't that happen?Because you don't make plays against a specefic hand, you make them against the range of possible hands.

Villain 3-bet preflop. It's silly to 3-bet the flop.What about if Villain just called preflop and then raised you on the flop? Do you 3-bet or just call fearing some wierd two pair?

For me... I 3-bet the flop if it goes that way. At least most of the time, unless I know something about the player.Man... who knows... there's a couple ways you could play it, and they all lose in this instance.

[wrto4556]

But which loses less when you're behind and wins more when you are ahead?

[Suited_Up]

wrto4556 said:

But which loses less when you're behind and wins more when you are ahead?

I don't think you can have both with the same play.If I'm ahead and re-raise, he slows down. If I raise and i'm behind, I lose more with his re-raises. But either way I can't see folding, so I'm losing less calling down, but probably winning less when I have the best hand with the same play... unless he's dumb and calls anyway. But most of the hands I am ahead against, should probably be foldable. Unless it's AJ... and that's the best hand I could've been up against, but doesn't happen all the time.It's just hard to put people on sets, especially when they raise the flop. Because not very many people do that online, everyone is trying to be tricky... so I really didn't expect the 10's... and with the cards that came on the turn and river, I thought I was good still, so threw in a value raise. Which does end up being right for me more times than not.

[wrto4556]

Raising the river was bad, bro.

[Suited_Up]

wrto4556 said:

Raising the river was bad, bro.

I know, but sometimes I am right, lol... just saying. More dependent on if you know the player though... I mean there was a guy in this room who was betting and raising with absolutely nothing just because the board was scary. Needless to say... that's the kind of player im going to do this to. My fault because this was a new player in the room.But i know... bad play. Lets not argue that point any more.