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[keith crime]

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti...leged-cover-up/

[screech]

What an idiot.

As an aside, I thought christians were all about slurirng jews.

[keith crime]

What an idiot.

As an aside, I thought christians were all about slurirng jews.

well yeah but driving drunk was going too far

[FOOSE1]

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti...leged-cover-up/

meh . . . christians are not perfect . . . just forgiven . . .

[JadeTiger]

well yeah but driving drunk was going too far

too far for what? explain what Gibson's DUI does to your overall view of God/christians? hard to judge the whole by the acts of one...unless of course you are ignorant.

[FOOSE1]

What an idiot.

As an aside, I thought christians were all about slurirng jews.

. . . never heard Christians were "all about slurring jews". I'm a Christian . . . never personally slurred a jew.

too far for what? explain what Gibson's DUI does to your overall view of God/christians? hard to judge the whole by the acts of one...unless of course you are ignorant.

That happens a lot here . . .

[keith crime]

too far for what? explain what Gibson's DUI does to your overall view of God/christians? hard to judge the whole by the acts of one...unless of course you are ignorant.

I'm not judging all christians
I just wish more vocal - and wow he sure is vocal - christians would be more christlike

he can drink all he wants but getting behind the wheel of a car where he can kill someone and then blaming it on the Jews - If I were Jesus I'd ask that my name be taken off that movie

and yes i understand a flawed man can make a great religious movie

guess the notions of whether or not he agrees with his dad has been spelled out though

Additionally, Christian leaders sure like to judge people, and wow they sure do wind up in the headlines themselves a lot

[DonkSlayer]

Dude, look at the source.

[keith crime]

meh . . . christians are not perfect . . . just forgiven . . .

was this serious or a joke?

[mtdesmoines]

http://www.tmz.com/2006/07/28/gibsons-anti...leged-cover-up/

Huh. Mel Gibson ... is not Christ. ... Who would've thunk?

[FOOSE1]

was this serious or a joke?

Bad sarcasm and a little toungue in cheek actually.

Mel Gibson claims to be a christian and makes one of the most powerful movies of all time IMO. But yet he has his own demons and low and behold he gets drunk, drives and slurs some jews. WOW.

So in one sense I was serious . . . if he really is a christian at heart (I believe he probably is) . . . then my statement is serious. On the other hand you will have others that will use this as a chance to bash all Christians because of Mel Gibson's serious lack of judgement. So in that instance it's kind of sarcastic, tongue in cheek(ish).

So, I guess I should have clarified from the start. I think Mel Gibson has done great, great things for Christians worldwide with his movie. However . . . I think he did just as much harm for the same with his actions and comments which to me are inexcusable on a personal level.

So again . . . christians aren't perfect . . . just forgiven.

I'm not judging all christians
I just wish more vocal - and wow he sure is vocal - christians would be more christlike

I actually couldn't agree with you more (as a Christian myself).

[JadeTiger]

I'm not judging all christians
I just wish more vocal - and wow he sure is vocal - christians would be more christlike

so if you are not vocal you dont have to be as Christlike but are given a license to judge those 'vocal' christians when they make mistakes. Last I heard he apologized.

[keith crime]

so if you are not vocal you dont have to be as Christlike but are given a license to judge those 'vocal' christians when they make mistakes. Last I heard he apologized.

well of course he apologized - people say what they really think when they are drunk and then when they sober up - their people tell them to apologize

foose i think we agree

I think there are a lot of wonderful religious people of all faiths but there are also a large vocal group that judges others who don't agree with them - mel is one of them and - well (i suppose i'm not proud of it) since i have a problem with their judgementality (is that a word) i'm more than a little overjoyed when they fall short of what they preach

[timwakefield]

Mel Gibson is a jerk, a complete kneebiter.

[JadeTiger]

well of course he apologized - people say what they really think when they are drunk and then when they sober up - their people tell them to apologize

foose i think we agree

I think there are a lot of wonderful religious people of all faiths but there are also a large vocal group that judges others who don't agree with them - mel is one of them and - well (i suppose i'm not proud of it) since i have a problem with their judgementality (is that a word) i'm more than a little overjoyed when they fall short of what they preach

So this is less about your disappointment in someone not 'practicing what they preach' but more a celebration of their failure? Doesnt that seem just a little hypocritical?

[keith crime]

So this is less about your disappointment in someone not 'practicing what they preach' but more a celebration of their failure? Doesnt that seem just a little hypocritical?

no its more of a celebration of the revealing of their true self

had it been a guy i respected - i'd be crushed

like this guy i dig

http://www.kevincmurphy.com/west.html

but then again he's not really out sending people to hell in broadstrokes

[timwakefield]

Mel Gibson is a jerk, a complete kneebiter.

1,000 Dutch points to whoever picks up on this reference....

[mtdesmoines]

no its more of a celebration of the revealing of their true self

Key to truly understanding Christianity is understanding that it's fundamental tenet is that all men are sinners. Everyone sins. Sin is not an indicator of failure of the Christian. You're clinging to the "Church Lady" view of Christianity, which, while tragically hip, is also totally flawed. I'm sorry Mel Gibson did this. I'm also sorry that his apologies seem insincere to you. But, frankly, I have no way of judging the sincerity of his apology, other than taking it at face value. I also have no reason to believe that a sincere apology versus an insincere one has any concrete impact in our world, at this point in time. But in the eyes of God, even Mel Gibson is just another man, exactly like you and me. His sins are between him and his God. His DUI is no worse or better than yours or mine would be if the circumstances were the same, and indicates nothing of the state of religion, other than it is populated and practiced by human beings. What I'm troubled by is the outburst of anti-Semitism, which indicates deeper troubles. It was my impression that Mel Gibson had handled this part of his past, and had gotten beyond it. Character is sometimes revealed by the way we handle success, but it's more often revealed by the way we handle trouble. Mel Gibson did not handle this trouble very well. He has work to do in his heart, I think.

[JadeTiger]

Key to truly understanding Christianity is understanding that it's fundamental tenet is that all men are sinners. Everyone sins. Sin is not an indicator of failure of the Christian. You're clinging to the "Church Lady" view of Christianity, which, while tragically hip, is also totally flawed. I'm sorry Mel Gibson did this. I'm also sorry that his apologies seem insincere to you. But, frankly, I have no way of judging the sincerity of his apology, other than taking it at face value. I also have no reason to believe that a sincere apology versus an insincere one has any concrete impact in our world, at this point in time. But in the eyes of God, even Mel Gibson is just another man, exactly like you and me. His sins are between him and his God. His DUI is no worse or better than yours or mine would be if the circumstances were the same, and indicates nothing of the state of religion, other than it is populated and practiced by human beings. What I'm troubled by is the outburst of anti-Semitism, which indicates deeper troubles. It was my impression that Mel Gibson had handled this part of his past, and had gotten beyond it. Character is sometimes revealed by the way we handle success, but it's more often revealed by the way we handle trouble. Mel Gibson did not handle this trouble very well. He has work to do in his heart, I think.

Well said on all points. The only thing Id have to say to OP and to everyone on this board is that this is the problem with putting people on pedestals. Everyone IS flawed and that is why God should be the standard, not man. Mel Gibson has done a lot for christians with The Passion of the Christ and it has even brought some people to God who were otherwise without Him. That is an accomplishment but nothing that should be glorified to man but to God only. Mel has proven it. Man will do great and wonderful things and then turn around and do horrible dispicable things. We all do it. we show up to church on sunday and praise God then turn around and spit in the face of that same God by taking his name in vain or any number of sins that displease him. God should always be the standard and anyone who is surprised that any man fails to represent God completely and wholly all the time is naive and ignorant.


More proof of contrition on Mel's part. I cant fault a man for admitting when he is wrong and doing something about it.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/07/....dui/index.html

[keith crime]

anyone that thinks that apology is sincere is crazy - he got caught showing his true self and he's doing his best to save his image -

it seems odd to me that - these people who lambast drug users and homosexuals and anyone else who live their lives the way mel and others don't want them to

when they do something 100 x worse - and drunk driving is - he was driving twice the speed limit - hammered out of his mind - he might as well have been shooting a gun off into a crowd

people are quick to say that we all sin and they should be forgiven

i'm not trying to be vicious but that's the way it has always appeared to me and it drives me nuts to see it

either way i wish no harm to mel and his people - but that's clearly not what he thinks about mine

when the passion came out he claimed that despite the fact that passion plays had been used in the past to amp up anti-semitism - and despite the fact that his father is a rabid anti semite - I gave him the benefit of the doubt and thought him courageous to put his career on the line for that movie - but now i'm extremely sure that i know the truth