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[krup24]

krup ($185)
MP4 ($198)
CO ($101)

krup is MP2
dealt to krup J 9

Preflop:
3 folds, krup raises to $3.5, 1 fold, MP4 calls $3.5, CO calls $3.5, 3 folds

Flop: 4 7 J (Pot $12)
krup bets $8, MP4 calls $8, CO folds

Turn 8 (Pot $28)
krup bets $19, MP4 raises to $38, krup calls $19

River K ($102)
krup checks, MP4 bets $64, krup folds

Well I don't know what villian has here I hated folding this hand. I dunno maybe B/F the river is a better line. Any alternate lines would be appreciated on all streets.

MP4 and I have been going back and forth hes kinda LAGGY all my profit on the table is from him. I've showed down some good hands so my image is probably TAG.

[Scott3705]

I hate the fact that this play could be a delayed bluff, but I still think c/f the river is probably best.

[DonkSlayer]

Pretty standard. If you were deeper, another raise on the turn might've been interesting.

[krup24]

I hate the fact that this play could be a delayed bluff, but I still think c/f the river is probably best.

Honestly I don't have a clue what villian is holding and it can easily be a set

Pretty standard. If you were deeper, another raise on the turn might've been interesting.

we are both kinda deep but if he has a big hand I woulda kicked myself for not taking the cheap flush/ gutter draw

[Scott3705]

Honestly I don't have a clue what villian is holding and it can easily be a set
we are both kinda deep but if he has a big hand I woulda kicked myself for not taking the cheap flush/ gutter draw

that's why i think it's a good fold. This can be a set or air. If he's been able to make moves on the table like this, I think we just have to continue to let him as he has position on us. If you think you're good here close to 33% of the time, I'd say get up and try to get to his left or find another table.

[DonkSlayer]

HIJACK!


I tend to bet into strong draws in EP, to take control of the hands, etc.

If you were an observant opponent has picked up on this, and I check a turn after betting into a flop, and the turn was either a blank or a very awkward connector (gutshot or something I wouldn't have bet into), what would you do after having it checked to you? Keep in mind I play aggressively postflop so you can't nail down a draw every time.

If I knew that one of my observant opponents has picked up on this tendency, would it be more important to change my preflop or postflop play when holding that type of hand?

Ty

[krup24]

If I knew that one of my observant opponents has picked up on this tendency, would it be more important to change my preflop or postflop play when holding that type of hand?

Absolutely

[fckthis]

Im thinking a set or air. Then for me it comes down to how Ive observed him playing,and what he think I may have.

I may even shove this turn some of the time, because I think we got enough outs to be ok if called + fold equity. Thoughts?

[AlphaOmega]

I hate shoving this turn, and I think you played it peachy. By just calling the turn raise, you can preserve your implied odds if you hit a club, since villain will probably not put you on them. I would check/raise AI on a harmless looking club, and probably check/call or check/raise a board pairing club, depending on his bet size.

[David_Nicoson]

Honestly I don't have a clue what villian is holding and it can easily be a set
we are both kinda deep but if he has a big hand I woulda kicked myself for not taking the cheap flush/ gutter draw

56 hits an OESD on the turn. Might be that.

I really think it might be JK who's not sure where he is. The raise on the turn is intended to get him a cheap showdown, but then he hits his kicker on the turn.

[Scott3705]

Im thinking a set or air. Then for me it comes down to how Ive observed him playing,and what he think I may have.

I may even shove this turn some of the time, because I think we got enough outs to be ok if called + fold equity. Thoughts?

If it were 6 handed and I really felt that this guy was trying to run me over, then I might like a turn push here just to show I'm willing to gamble and that I'm not going to be run over. Full-ring and not actually being in the table to see how over-aggressive this player is getting, I'm more in favor of the way Krup played this.

[krup24]

I hate shoving this turn, and I think you played it peachy. By just calling the turn raise, you can preserve your implied odds if you hit a club, since villain will probably not put you on them. I would check/raise AI on a harmless looking club, and probably check/call or check/raise a board pairing club, depending on his bet size.

that is basically why I just called his turn action because man am I getting some juicy odds. Don't forget I have a gutter as well so thats 3 more outs. And I would C/R AI on probably any club.

56 hits an OESD on the turn. Might be that.

I really think it might be JK who's not sure where he is. The raise on the turn is intended to get him a cheap showdown, but then he hits his kicker on the turn.

56, could be this guy was loose pf and was definitely looking to stack me cause I took a decent amount off him prior.

I think JK calls down, especially this guy. I really don't think he has a jack.

[AlphaOmega]

that is basically why I just called his turn action because man am I getting some juicy odds. Don't forget I have a gutter as well so thats 3 more outs. And I would C/R AI on probably any club.

I think that that is pretty reckless on a board like this. When villain raises the turn, his most likely holdings are two pair, set, straight (And if I'm wrong about this, feel free to disrehard this post ). When the board pairs, his two pair hands either become full houses or counterfeit (most of the time), so he's going to be folding/calling with a better hand a good portion of the time more than he's going to call with just two pair. Sets boat up, obviously, so there's really only value to be gained from straights. I just think that he'll have us beat too often to CR AI exclusively to any club.

Edit- I just remembered that this opponents hand range is probably wider than I'm giving him credit for, so this thought applies to a more passive/straightforward opponent in this situation.

Edit2- Although I'd be more likely to CRAI on a 4 river than a J river.