the aggression of david williams...

[PhishForChips 0]

I have seen him play a few times, but this is the first in depth look i have seen since he played in the WSOP. This guy is really impressive for 24 years old. He is giving Daniel a headache here. VERY aggressive player. He reminds of an Ivey the way he pushes in with nothing. Sick. He just needs to fine tune his reads a bit and he'll be a top 5 player in the next few years.

[Vade 0]

Agreed.At the moment though, Daniel is definitely outplaying him, but that's flat out experience.I still would have layed down the final hand of the WSOP on the turn, but meh

[A2suited 0]

I agree he is very talented player and but he doesnt even want to be a pro he is going to gradurate school or soemthing like that.

[PhishForChips 0]

Agreed.At the moment though, Daniel is definitely outplaying him, but that's flat out experience.I still would have layed down the final hand of the WSOP on the turn, but meh

I don't know if Daniel is outplaying him right now. Daniel is obviousy the superior player, but williams is playing on the same level. With a little over 5 minutes to go though I'm guessing Williams is about to implode.

[Vade 0]

Daniel's definitley getting better cards!!

[PhishForChips 0]

What are the odds of getting Pocket aces 2 out of 5 hands short handed like that? Yikes. Can't blame Williams for making that call when his king hit the flop.

[Petoria 0]

I've played guys like Williams many times before, guys who prefer to check-raise, rather than bet.I know it would be against Daniel's style, but he would have to play tight and wait to river two pair or a str8. He caught awesome cards anyway.What did David mean when he said that Daniel slowrolled? I know the definition, but I don't see anything wrong with making sure that David didn't have KJ in the pocket. Personally I think Daniel was making sure that there weren't 3 's out there. I can understand David being upset, I even think David went on tilt as soon as he lost with that QQ, but he still is one of the best out there, and I think he could still win a big tournament this year.

[adamkadmon 0]

I don't think david would stand a chance against daniel over the long haul. Not to take anything away from david's accomplishments but he is just a good player, I consider myself to be a good player. In my opinion and this obviously speculative but in order to accomplish the track record of Daniels one would need to be a "great player". I liken it to the scratch golfer who is thinking about going on the tour only to realize after a few months that ther's a big difference between the local country club and the tour. Maybe in five years david will have the tools to outplay daniel but I doubt it. I don't think that many truely realize just how difficult it is to make a living playing poker as daniel has done. hope this doesn't come across as some daniel loving mismash but when I see the comparisons, I felt it necessary to voice my opinion. There can be only one, and it's not david it's daniel.

[Guest XXEddie]

What are the odds of getting Pocket aces 2 out of 5 hands short handed like that? Yikes. Can't blame Williams for making that call when his king hit the flop.

i dont think it was 2 of 5i think it was 2 of 5 TELEVISED hands, but its still a long shot

[NL_Pro 0]

David has dropped out of college and is playing on the circuit.

[KDawgCometh 2]

David WILL win several WSOP bracelets, IMO. He's very talented and we could see that he is a much better player than he was during the main event, and that was only three months later. I think that with some more experience he will be a great player. I thought he played really well on this final table and am looking forward to seeing him make more final tables. He is very smart and is very humble as I remember Daniel said he was playing at around 30-60 to 50-100, so that shows that he isn't trying to jump too high

[Petoria 0]

Daniel is the more skilled player right now, but if anyone out there has potential to become the next Daniel, it's David. He carries his briefcase with him to the poker table. He writes down all his hands and keeps track of tells and such, if that's not striving to be the best, I don't know what is. David is not just intelligent, he has talent. With that combination, watch out.

[KDawgCometh 2]

David has dropped out of college and is playing on the circuit.

he graduated right before the WSOP I think

[offsuitbluff 0]

daniel called when he knew he was beat SEVERAL times. I think he was willing to do this more then once cause he knew he could outplay David.David is good but it seems like he is more prone to make the one big mistake.ps. Ivey should have known AQ was no good, he never wins with it! i guess he was trying to break the curse

[Huskers20 0]

Check it out Daniel wrote about this in his Card Player article. Pretty good article on what he was thinking.

[The Ace of Jades 0]

I don't think has played much against David so when he made those calls just to see what he had I think he was doing it to better understand how he played, and it came in handy. I think after a couple of hands like that I would have changed gears reall quick with Daniel paying him off like that just to see his cards. I think That might be what David did and why he lost because he went to far with it.Once again Daniel is heads up with a really good player and just outplayed them. I don't think he played quite as well as he did against Deeb, but he still played pretty damn good.And they did say that David dropped out to play full time. He said he was happy to find something that he was good at and plays professionally now.And they said it was twice in three hands I thought. They actually said how many hands it had been since the first time he got aces.

[jgarza 0]

I had seen David Williams around before his debut at the WSOP while playing on the Magic the Gathering pro tour, although I didnt know he was a poker player at the time, and the Magic community went poker-crazy when he made second (which is about when I got into the game).I think that David Williams' extreme aggresiveness reflected, as he had stated in the interview, that he wasnt sure how he would stand up to Negreanu. I think David thought his best chance was to try to take advantage of the high blinds and his substantial chip lead. To me, the heads up match was a race between Negreanu hitting a big hand, and David Williams aggresion plus the pressure of the blinds forcing Daniel to make a desperate move. Obviously it was more complex then that, but Heads up with high blinds is kind of a crapshoot- it would be nice to see more tournaments like Poker at the Plaza, which was really enlightening to me. I think its important to note that the majority of the hands they showed Daniel betting in heads up were not made hands - he seemed to be swimming in an ocean of draws, and considering Williams' propensity for check raising, this clearly wasnt what Daniel was looking for. Then again, a couple wired aces and kings cant hurt, and there is no denying that the majory of Williams' check-raises were excellently placed.I found a few hands really interesting: I think the hand (before heads up) where David Williams opened the pot and Daniel called with J9, was tough to figure out. Dave Williams seemed to follow up his post flop bluffs with bluffs on the turn in a number of situations, which is fairly unusual to me. I assume on this hand, where the flop was QKJ with two diamonds, David assumed once a low card hit on the turn he should keep betting to push DN off a draw. I thought Daniel's call on the flop was excellent. The Q7 hand: "meh". not much to say, it was one of those situations that had to happen if Daniel was going to climb back where the big bluff from David runs into a big hand.Oh yeah, I know Daniel loves 67 suited type hands, but I was fairly surprised when he called for a large portion of his stack after he raised the button to 120, and David Williams popped him back another 380 thousand. I was joking with my dad that Daniel is so good, he can find implied odds in any preflop call leaving him with over 70% of his stack intact! But still, I found this call of such a large bet slightly curious -perhaps Daniel had a read on Dave for high cards and thought he could push a flop with low cards? If Daniel thought Dave was bluffing, calling seems even more dangerous, because he has no idea where he is after the flop!And of course the best hand- K 2 with the king of spades vs 99! I thought this hand was great. Dave Williams checks 99 from the bb when Daniel limps in, and both check down the flop with the two spades. the third spade hits and david checks again, and then raises daniel. I think the reason Daniel calls when the river, a 6, makes three of a kind, is David's raise on the turn-its too SMALL. It doesnt seem like its a raise designed to knock out draws. In other words, David's hand is so strong he doesnt care about draws (which DOES seem unlikely, since he would need a made flush, or a full house) or he is on the flush or straight draw(more likely then flush) or even a bluff which isnt that unlikely considering Davids play up to that point, and is just trying to win the pot right there or give himself an opportunity to bluff the river. I believe the final board is 6 6 8 9 6 with three spades, i. David's near pot size bet on the river seems like that bluff that david had to be factoring in if he had check raised danny with a draw there, making Daniel suspicious because it seems impossible to put David on anything with his checks and the too-small raise other then a missed draw or the stone cold nuts. It would be great to hear commentary on this hand.

[Suited_Up 2]

I agree with you on the 99 hand. I also love that Daniel is calling him just for information. I mean, he probably figures his K high might be good half the time.. but really, he just wants to know what kind of hand he would play like this. Same with the A high call earlier. I wish I had the kind of skill, where I could call a hand like that just to see, and actually be able to add that to my memory to recall later. But man i'm just not trained that way yet.Also... I think David is excellent, and he will be winning a lot in the future. He seems to be trying to mix things up while still staying aggressive, and I said in another thread... for any player who isn't world class... this guy would be a nightmare to play.

[cb04 0]

What did David mean when he said that Daniel slowrolled? I know the definition, but I don't see anything wrong with making sure that David didn't have KJ in the pocket. Personally I think Daniel was making sure that there weren't 3 's out there.

I took it as a pretty lighthearted remark, him and Daniel are friends and Im sure he knew Daniel ment no disrespect to him.

[RonBurgundy 0]

also, david williams acts quicker than just about any plaer ive seen. makes quick decisions, etc... so he could have thought that hes cuz hes so high speed. btw did danny boy hit the tanning bed b4 the final table. he looked pretty burned.

[koolromeo 0]

i'm not bashing daniel, but he didn't out play him. he got cards. i don't think daniel wins if he doesnt hit trips with the a-2 when david hadd qq. without that double up, i really think williams wins. i do think daniel is superior, but he didn't outplay him. he had the best hand when wiliams had a big hand. easy to win in that scenario.

[jooka 0]

I thought both played well, wish it hadnt ended quite how it did( pocket A's 2 out of 3 hands) but the play until that point was suberb and was very happy to watch.(also rewatching it now)

[ChkDeezNuts 0]

At one point they said that David had won 28 out of 31 pots heads up against Daniel....was this true?As for the game...I thought David outplayed Daniel for a while....then blew up and Daniel sat back and let him blow up and blow his chips into his stack.As for masterful....I think you saw Daniel's B+ game at best.......Daniel's A game was on display at the Plaza event.

[JFarrell20 1]

i gotta be honest guys, I stopped watching with 20 minutes left... I really wasn't learning anything. I haven't learned one thing from watching Williams play. All he's good at doing is looking like an internet player on TV. His moves are straight outta the low-limit internet repertoire. Why doesn't anybody slowplay against him and NAIL him?Was a bit disappointed in Danny too. Danny, do not call 500K WITH KING HIGH!That was the worst call I've ever seen him make. Is he HOPING david has Queen high!?!? SHEESH. Give a hand up daniel!Then David limps with 99... flop comes 662, williams first to act... he checks..WTF!? BET that flop dude! Danny checks and the only way williams can look like a genius for not betting that flop is if.....yep.... a 9 comes on the turn. Sure enough... then he takes Danny for a huge pot. Honestly, I have not learned one thing from watching David williams, except for how to move all in 18 times in 7 hands. He's very easy to read, IMHO. Surprised Danny didn't NAIL him.That one guy made the best call of the night from what i remember... Tsidilaropis or whatever.... he made a close (but great) call against WIlliams. I watch the WPT to learn, but tonight I am certain that I wasn't learning. Sorry.

[Knightmare44 0]

i gotta be honest guys, I stopped watching with 20 minutes left... I really wasn't learning anything. I haven't learned one thing from watching Williams play. All he's good at doing is looking like an internet player on TV. His moves are straight outta the low-limit internet repertoire. Why doesn't anybody slowplay against him and NAIL him?Was a bit disappointed in Danny too. Danny, do not call 500K WITH KING HIGH!That was the worst call I've ever seen him make. Is he HOPING david has Queen high!?!? SHEESH. Give a hand up daniel!Then David limps with 99... flop comes 662, williams first to act... he checks..WTF!? BET that flop dude! Danny checks and the only way williams can look like a genius for not betting that flop is if.....yep.... a 9 comes on the turn. Sure enough... then he takes Danny for a huge pot. Honestly, I have not learned one thing from watching David williams, except for how to move all in 18 times in 7 hands. He's very easy to read, IMHO. Surprised Danny didn't NAIL him.That one guy made the best call of the night from what i remember... Tsidilaropis or whatever.... he made a close (but great) call against WIlliams. I watch the WPT to learn, but tonight I am certain that I wasn't learning. Sorry.

He called for information - he had never seen david williams play ANY hand like that b4 and it's now one more bit of knowledge that he can add. He probably assumed king high wasn't good - there was a shot that it was but I think the call was more for informative purposes, which daniel has done before and will continue to do in the future. I thought it was a GREAT episode - williams did kinda self-implode after that q-7 hand, but up until that point he was playing very well. Williams is an amazing player for a 24 year old . as for the 9-9 - so he bets the flop he picks up what - 20k? outta the 3 mil he had there? he took a risk trying to trap daniel and it paid off if a king comes - then so what - williams only loses 20k. and plus - against a guy that has a tendency to check/raise - why teh hell would you slowplay a monster hand - raise with it - bet with it - and there's a possibility he'll make a move at it. which you would've seen if you hadn't dismissed the episode b4 it was over.