Calling A Big All-in On A Draw

[mrdannyg 274]

No hand history, but basically:$25 NL 6-Max Party TableBB ($40)Hero - MP ($30) - As, 2scouple folds, Hero raises to $1, couple folds, bb calls.Flop: 3s, 4s, Jdbb goes all-in, hero ???The pot is tiny compared to the all-in, so is this a simple pot odds question, or are there other factors? If we can discount AA and sets, we're a favourite, so can we discount those enough to call here?

[Mattnxtc 0]

as long as you arent against a set your pretty even and this can be called or folded based on what you think the villians possible holdings are

[Jordan 1]

Fold.- Jordan

[iggymcfly 0]

It's 25 NL; I say call it. At this level, you're crap opponent might even have a lower flush draw or something that you're dominating. If he's playing smash with a set, you don't lose that much since you still have 12 outs. I guess if villian's been folding a lot and is really giving you reason to believe he's playing Smash, you could fold, but against an unknown opponent at this level, I think this is a definite call.

[mrdannyg 274]

Fold.- Jordan

can you elaborate?

It's 25 NL; I say call it. At this level, you're crap opponent might even have a lower flush draw or something that you're dominating. If he's playing smash with a set, you don't lose that much since you still have 12 outs. I guess if villian's been folding a lot and is really giving you reason to believe he's playing Smash, you could fold, but against an unknown opponent at this level, I think this is a definite call.

this was basically my thoughts.on one hand, most players at that level play a set terribly, and on the other, there are not many hands other than a set that he makes such a ridiculous bet with.this was not my hand by the way since I don't play NL, but I did tell my friend that he can probably discount AA/set enough that a call is fine, even with a negligible pot size.

[Jordan 1]

Oh, I'd call at $25nl cause I don't care about $25.I was thinking in terms of buy ins though.Would you call this at $200nl for an entire stack with just $6 invested?or at $400nl with $14 or w/e invested?- Jordan

[CobaltBlue 662]

Against this range...JJ+,44-33,AJs,KJs,QJs,JTs,65s,AJo,KJo,QJoWe're almost exactly 50%. With the money in the pot, we're getting the tiniest of overlays. So basically, it depends on if you want to flip a coin. Probably depends on my mood on whether I'd call it. (I certainly prefer to be the one pushing.)

[pokerplayer24 0]

Oh, I'd call at $25nl cause I don't care about $25.I was thinking in terms of buy ins though.Would you call this at $200nl for an entire stack with just $6 invested?or at $400nl with $14 or w/e invested?- Jordan

AgreedNo need to put your $ in when the pot is this small and its unlikely ur edge is very big if it exists at all.

[fckthis 0]

Im with the other posts. Fold. Your flipping a coin here.

[mrdannyg 274]

Oh, I'd call at $25nl cause I don't care about $25.I was thinking in terms of buy ins though.Would you call this at $200nl for an entire stack with just $6 invested?or at $400nl with $14 or w/e invested?- Jordan

i don't care if its $25 or $200. its a buy-in. if I have a known 1% edge, of course I'd call an all-in for my stack. not the case here necessarily, but as a recreational player, i suggest that he should be willing to call an all-in with any edge/overlay, though that may not be the case if bankroll or anything is a question.

Against this range...JJ+,44-33,AJs,KJs,QJs,JTs,65s,AJo,KJo,QJoWe're almost exactly 50%. With the money in the pot, we're getting the tiniest of overlays. So basically, it depends on if you want to flip a coin. Probably depends on my mood on whether I'd call it. (I certainly prefer to be the one pushing.)

Thats a good-looking range. I don't see many hands you could disclude there, so it depends on the weights you assign to a set, and the possibility of other flush draws.I really wasn't expecting responses from some of you guys like cobalt and pp24, but I'm a bit surprised you guys mostly said to fold.i told him calling was probably correct, but initially i weighted something like a lower flush draw higher than a set, whereas most of you seem to think a set is pretty likely.

[AlphaOmega 0]

I'd fold it since the pot is small, and anyone who overbets like that can easily be expoited for a bigger edge later on.

[XXEddie 0]

fold. youve only put in $1, why put in 30 more with just a draw, albeit a very large draw. You can certainly wait for better spots

[Lavitz 0]

i don't care if its $25 or $200. its a buy-in. if I have a known 1% edge, of course I'd call an all-in for my stack. not the case here necessarily, but as a recreational player, i suggest that he should be willing to call an all-in with any edge/overlay, though that may not be the case if bankroll or anything is a question.Thats a good-looking range. I don't see many hands you could disclude there, so it depends on the weights you assign to a set, and the possibility of other flush draws.I really wasn't expecting responses from some of you guys like cobalt and pp24, but I'm a bit surprised you guys mostly said to fold.i told him calling was probably correct, but initially i weighted something like a lower flush draw higher than a set, whereas most of you seem to think a set is pretty likely.

No need to push miniature edges at these limits, or any limits where you feel you have enough skill to profit. Flipping coins (Yes, a 1-5% edge might as well be flipping coins.) is -EV in other ways, such as losing a huge pot over a noninfluential amount of money in the center when you put it all in is probably going to affect you by putting you on tilt in some manner and give you the attitude youre playing catch up and you could start making plays further down that could affect you negatively.We're poker players, not gamblers. Anytime you CALL a push with 50-55% edge that might as well be gambling.

[simo_8ball 1]

At $25NL you should be able to take his money quite easily by folding here. Against a player who will open push here I would expect to be able to find a decent edge somewhere else against him. Calling isn't a mistake, but against a weak opponent I prefer folding.

[Mattnxtc 0]

Oh, I'd call at $25nl cause I don't care about $25.I was thinking in terms of buy ins though.Would you call this at $200nl for an entire stack with just $6 invested?or at $400nl with $14 or w/e invested?- Jordan

problem with this reasoning is that at 200nl people play a lot better than at 25nl so you have to make adjustments. At 25nl you are often either ahead or at least even...so player dependent u can make this call and be +ev a lot