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[AlphaOmega 0]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)saw flop|saw showdownButton ($239.49)Hero ($209.80)BB ($0)Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K. Button posts a blind of $1. Hero posts a blind of $0.50. Hero (poster) raises to $3.5, Button (poster) calls $3.Flop: ($8) T, 8, 6(3 players)Hero bets $5, Button calls $5.Turn: ($18) A(3 players)Hero bets $12, Button calls $12.River: ($42) 6(3 players)Hero bets $20 Final Pot: $82Villain is same player in other thread. 30/16/2, and pretty good.

[Mattnxtc 0]

If your going to try and run a bluff i think your turn bet needs to be bigger

[nomad_monad 0]

Line seems fine to me - river is a perfect card for putting out a blocking bet, assuming that's about how much you're willing to call if you took a c/c line on the river instead.

[iggymcfly 0]

I don't like the turn bet at all. You're folding all the hands you're beating (except for a few weird pair + draw hands), and you're not folding anything that's beating you. If you check here, you can induce a lot of bluffs while getting less money in the pot when you're behind, and since the few drawing hands out there will be likely to take a stab too, you're probably hardly ever losing equity here. I think c/c the turn, c/c the river has to be the line here. (Unless there's an overbet or something. Then folding might be appropriate.)

[Scott3705 0]

I don't like the turn bet at all. You're folding all the hands you're beating (except for a few weird pair + draw hands), and you're not folding anything that's beating you. If you check here, you can induce a lot of bluffs while getting less money in the pot when you're behind, and since the few drawing hands out there will be likely to take a stab too, you're probably hardly ever losing equity here. I think c/c the turn, c/c the river has to be the line here. (Unless there's an overbet or something. Then folding might be appropriate.)

This sort of thinking would begin to get too transparent if we are constantly checking <TP hands in order to induce bluffs. Suppose we have AK in this hand... would you really check the turn to induce a river bluff? I'd rather be able to C-bet this turn with 9j 22 and 55 and be able to fold this player in the long run than try to eak out a desperation river bluff, that I in fact might not be taking the best of a decent % of the time.Edit: I forgot to add. I like this line.

[bdc30 0]

I bet that flop a LOT harder. $10-15 at least.Folds a lot of the weak aces that just caught you on the turn.

[screech 0]

If your going to try and run a bluff i think your turn bet needs to be bigger

Bluff?I see 2 blocking bets...Alpha, given that this guy called a decent raise pf, he will probably call a good size flop bet as well. Bet somewhere between 0.8 - 1.1 size the pot.I really don't see anything wrong with the turn/river, but I would probably make my bets a little smaller (say 1/2 on the turn, and 1/3 on the river.

[AlphaOmega 0]

Matt,I find your post quite valueless. In the future, when you respond to my posts, please elaborate on what you think is the best play that maximizes my expectation. If you are deviating or describing a non standard play I'd appreciate it if you at least provided a little depth and detail. I promise I will do the same for you in your hand posts.Screech,I agree with your rationalization for betting more, but the problem is that under that situation I'd need to be betting more on this board with a variety of hands so as to not become predictable. I could only see myself overbetting here with JJ+, which is too small of a range for an observing villain to not adjust completely correctly towards. Overbetting also gives villain a lot of ammunition against me since many cards can come on the turn or river that I might have to fold to a PSB to, and in general when I'm OOP I like to keep the pots small so that I can play more perfectly against my opponents. Since I'd bet 5 dollars here with pretty much any hand I'd raise pre-flop with, I think that betting 5 here works best for my style.All,If you don't mind, I'd like to see how most would react concerning different turn cards and action.Let's say the turn is a Q, we lead for 12, villain raises in the 30-36 range.Turn is either a J, 9, or 7. We lead for 12 (or check?) and villain raises in the 30-36 range.Turn is blankish, say most non-kings that don't present backdoor flush possibilities. We lead for 12 (or check?) and villain raises in the 30-36 range.Thanks for all the feedback thusfar.

[screech 0]

Screech,I agree with your rationalization for betting more, but the problem is that under that situation I'd need to be betting more on this board with a variety of hands so as to not become predictable. I could only see myself overbetting here with JJ+, which is too small of a range for an observing villain to not adjust completely correctly towards. Overbetting also gives villain a lot of ammunition against me since many cards can come on the turn or river that I might have to fold to a PSB to, and in general when I'm OOP I like to keep the pots small so that I can play more perfectly against my opponents. Since I'd bet 5 dollars here with pretty much any hand I'd raise pre-flop with, I think that betting 5 here works best for my style.

I understand your concern for not getting too predictable, and rightfully so. 2 things though:1) It's not something you have to worry about at these limits, but it is good too practice it now2) You should still tend to try to get more money in the pot with stronger hands than weaker ones. What that means is that if $5 is your normal continuation bet, you can occassionally bet this much with your stronger hands, but you should usually bet more. Similarly, you can occassionally throw in a larger, near pot-size bet with a hand that whiffed. It will get you more money in the long run.Also, I think you are too concerned about folding a better hand. It will happen occassionally, but not that often. If you make a big bet on the flop, your opponent will give you more accurate info in the future. Hope this helps.

[gooch 0]

This is head up, this guy could be calling down with nothing more than J10 imo

[Scott3705 0]

Matt,All,If you don't mind, I'd like to see how most would react concerning different turn cards and action.Let's say the turn is a Q, we lead for 12, villain raises in the 30-36 range.Turn is either a J, 9, or 7. We lead for 12 (or check?) and villain raises in the 30-36 range.Turn is blankish, say most non-kings that don't present backdoor flush possibilities. We lead for 12 (or check?) and villain raises in the 30-36 range.Thanks for all the feedback thusfar.

I think that decision is tough as you will run into some players that like to call for a bluff on later streets and others that are generally trying to showdown a hand against you. if I am against some one I feel like is fighting for pots against me, I"d be inclined to raise and pay off a big hand. If I"m against a guy I think is trying to showdown big hands against me, I"m folding.