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[mkeller3086 0]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)SB ($49.25)BB ($20.64)UTG ($43.63)MP ($22.20)CO ($105.15)Hero ($49.40)Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , 8 . SB posts a blind of $0.25. UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $4.Flop: ($12.75) 5 , 3 , 6 (2 players)UTG bets $10, Hero folds.Final Pot: $22.75i wanted to start playing mid pocket pairs more aggressively in position in 6 max. i feel like this is a fold on the flop despite having the overpair. A big pot is brewing and I don't have a hand to back it up.

[DonkSlayer 1]

So, in 6max, where the name of the game is more LAG than TAG, you play pckt pairs only to hit a set or OESD?Do you think A6soot or A4soot are impossible here? What about 77?/Fckti i'm drink so sorry

[Mattnxtc 0]

any reads on the utg? against post people at 6max this is an awful fold

[mkeller3086 0]

any reads on the utg? against post people at 6max this is an awful fold

why?i'm sorry i don't have reads but assume a typical 50nl player (you've been there before)assign a range to his holdings after he calls preflop and how our 88 stacks up given his action.

[Scott3705 0]

I think the position of the better here is important. I think folding is incorrect against the BB but has much more merits against UTG. I still may be tempted to call the flop and fold the turn if he puts in a decent size bet.

[mkeller3086 0]

I think the position of the better here is important. I think folding is incorrect against the BB but has much more merits against UTG. I still may be tempted to call the flop and fold the turn if he puts in a decent size bet.

does it look like this though?fold > call > raise'or is itcall > fold > raise

[Scott3705 0]

call=fold>raise

but this is more based on my stats. Shed, I am in the ballpark of 20-25/35-40 preflop. and 30/35-40 on the button and CO. So strategically I need to fight for this pot more than some one who is 15/35.

[mkeller3086 0]

another quick question...a couple of my buddies gave me a hard time about reraising preflop.are u cool with the reraise?

[Scott3705 0]

another quick question...a couple of my buddies gave me a hard time about reraising preflop.are u cool with the reraise?

Depends on the villian really. did you have PT going or have any idea of how often he was raising preflop?

[mkeller3086 0]

Depends on the villian really. did you have PT going or have any idea of how often he was raising preflop?

this will upset you but i don't own PT.

[Scott3705 0]

this will upset you but i don't own PT.

No, I didn't get PT until about 3 months ago. I got it mostly for GT but also for some tracking purposes. right now it's telling me that I have a huge leak in my game which is good. (it's called fullring).Taking a plain vanilla guy, I think a reraise is ok but close enough that it doesn't matter too much if you're not overly tight or overly aggressive. both ways have their merit.

[JSHamm 9]

My penny thought is a raise utg followed by the call would have me put him on QQ - 10 10...maybe 99. I'd think he'd reraise PF (based on typical 50 max player) with AA or KK. However, he may have also raised it with AK suited or not or A Q-10 suited. Just my experience anyway. Without any real reads on him, I'd give him credit most likely for having a higher pair than us leaving us drawing to 2 outs. You have $43.40 left on the flop and he's betting nearly a quarter of your stack.I don't think calling is going to help you much especially if an overcard hits on the turn. You could put in a raise on the flop, though. The pot would contain $22.75, though, and any raise would basically commit you. Basically, it's either a fold or all-in with calling-folding the turn being last.

[mkeller3086 0]

My penny thought is a raise utg followed by the call would have me put him on QQ - 10 10...maybe 99. I'd think he'd reraise PF (based on typical 50 max player) with AA or KK. However, he may have also raised it with AK suited or not or A Q-10 suited. Just my experience anyway. Without any real reads on him, I'd give him credit most likely for having a higher pair than us leaving us drawing to 2 outs. You have $43.40 left on the flop and he's betting nearly a quarter of your stack.I don't think calling is going to help you much especially if an overcard hits on the turn. You could put in a raise on the flop, though. The pot would contain $22.75, though, and any raise would basically commit you. Basically, it's either a fold or all-in with calling-folding the turn being last.

this is pretty much my thought about the over pair....i don't know if this applies to no limit but this seemed like a reverse implied odds hand. If i continued further he was getting my whole stack if he had the overpair but if he had two overcards I wasn't getting a penny more out of him.

[Scott3705 0]

My penny thought is a raise utg followed by the call would have me put him on QQ - 10 10...maybe 99. I'd think he'd reraise PF (based on typical 50 max player) with AA or KK. However, he may have also raised it with AK suited or not or A Q-10 suited. Just my experience anyway. Without any real reads on him, I'd give him credit most likely for having a higher pair than us leaving us drawing to 2 outs. You have $43.40 left on the flop and he's betting nearly a quarter of your stack.I don't think calling is going to help you much especially if an overcard hits on the turn. You could put in a raise on the flop, though. The pot would contain $22.75, though, and any raise would basically commit you. Basically, it's either a fold or all-in with calling-folding the turn being last.

Why would you raise here if you feel you could be behind? Are we looking to fol 99-jj. ok maybe I can buy that. JJ is a tall order tho. But calling leaves UTG w/ 30 w/ a $30 pot which definately allows us to get away on the turn if he continues to bet and also allows us to bet if checked to in order to protect our hand. We're calling for information here and I'm honestly going to allow this person to bluff at me OOP if he's feeling so bold. All-in on this flop gets you called when you're absolutely crushed. Raising this flop is very bad.

[JSHamm 9]

Why would you raise here if you feel you could be behind? Are we looking to fol 99-jj. ok maybe I can buy that. JJ is a tall order tho. But calling leaves UTG w/ 30 w/ a $30 pot which definately allows us to get away on the turn if he continues to bet and also allows us to bet if checked to in order to protect our hand. We're calling for information here and I'm honestly going to allow this person to bluff at me OOP if he's feeling so bold[. All-in on this flop gets you called when you're absolutely crushed. Raising this flop is very bad.

Actually, I'd probably adovocate folding more than raising. Why am I calling off 23% of my stack to see what villian does next? If we have a feeling he's bluffing then pick him off now. What if another undercard comes on the turn and he fires out again? We reraised pre-flop so there's no doubt he may be considering we have a higher pair than his (if he has one at all). He's raised preflop and then led out on the flop as well. We're going to call and finally give him credit for an overpair on the turn? I could be wrong but I'd rather get away now or have him make the decision to see two more cards.

[Scott3705 0]

Actually, I'd probably adovocate folding more than raising. Why am I calling off 23% of my stack to see what villian does next? If we have a feeling he's bluffing then pick him off now. What if another undercard comes on the turn and he fires out again? We reraised pre-flop so there's no doubt he may be considering we have a higher pair than his (if he has one at all). He's raised preflop and then led out on the flop as well. We're going to call and finally give him credit for an overpair on the turn? I could be wrong but I'd rather get away now or have him make the decision to see two more cards.

First, you should not think in terms of 23% of your stack. It's a cash game. Stack sizes mean nothing and only gross amounts should be considered. Second, I"m not saying tha calling is better than folding. For my game it is because people run this line on me w/ air and I feel the need to try to keep people honest. What I am saying is that calling is much better than raising because the price of being wrong if we push is much higher than our return for being right if he is bluffing. If I call and he bets the turn, I am willing to fold at that point if another small card peels because I'm usually behind now. So basically when you propose and all-in or fold on the flop, I think that's not a very good way to approach this situation. (unless you think you can fold jj-99)

[JSHamm 9]

First, you should not think in terms of 23% of your stack. It's a cash game. Stack sizes mean nothing and only gross amounts should be considered. Second, I"m not saying tha calling is better than folding. For my game it is because people run this line on me w/ air and I feel the need to try to keep people honest. What I am saying is that calling is much better than raising because the price of being wrong if we push is much higher than our return for being right if he is bluffing. If I call and he bets the turn, I am willing to fold at that point if another small card peels because I'm usually behind now. So basically when you propose and all-in or fold on the flop, I think that's not a very good way to approach this situation. (unless you think you can fold jj-99)

First, when I mention stack %, I don't mean to use it as a decision maker necessarily, but rather a point that it's a large chunk to simply call with.Second, I do see your line of thinking and wouldn't say calling is completely wrong but rather another option to use. What gets me, though, is barring any 8 on the turn, no matter what card comes off we're folding to a bet? That just seems weak and passive. Again, no real read of the player was given but we've shown strength in this hand, too and I'd rather take the pot now IF the Hero thinks he can get them to lay the hand down or pick off a bluff attempt.Also, let's say we call the flop and villian checks the turn, we're betting here right or checking behind as well giving them a free card on the river?I do see calling as the minimal risk (besides folding of course); however, I also think it hands over power to the villian as well as gives him more opportunity to catch on the turn and river if he only has overs.Granted, given my line I could go bust here and basically lose a buy-in; however, I still think raising gives us more chance to win than calling. I'll admit I definitely see the benefit to your line as well, though.

[DonkSlayer 1]

After reading sober, there is very little strat to this post and the situation is extremely reliant on reads. He went with his read, so be it. If your read was that he overplays hands and is LAG and preflop = flop autobet, I'm pushing or firing off a big raise on the flop.Also, if the read was there preflop that you'd need to fold your 88 in this situation, I think folding preflop is better.

[mkeller3086 0]

After reading sober, there is very little strat to this post and the situation is extremely reliant on reads. He went with his read, so be it. If your read was that he overplays hands and is LAG and preflop = flop autobet, I'm pushing or firing off a big raise on the flop.Also, if the read was there preflop that you'd need to fold your 88 in this situation, I think folding preflop is better.

do you really fold this on the button getting 20-1 implied odds?