Second Best Flush Draw?

[Moneyball16 0]

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Second hand at table. No reads.Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, 7. CO posts a blind of $0.50. 2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.Flop: (6 SB) J, 9, A(6 players)Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, CO folds, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, UTG+2 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.I feel that leading is correct here, but should I have 3-bet after 2 players cold called? One of them could very well have had a better flush draw.Turn: (11 BB) 6(4 players)Hero checks, BB bets, UTG+2 folds, Button raises, Hero calls, BB calls.Well now I am pretty sure I have the only flush draw unless button has the 96 of spades, but that chance is pretty remote. It looks like he has a big hand.River: (17 BB) 8(3 players)Hero checks with the intention of raising?I hit! Hooray! Now should I lead or c/r? Leading makes it easier for BB to call a bet on the river and does give button a chance to raise, so maybe I could get a 3-bet in, but someone may fold. After the button woke up on the turn, I feel that he showed enough strength that he would probably bet, so then I could raise. By doing this though the BB probably isnt going to call, but might and the button might check behind which would be horrible for me.If the river were headsup would anything change?

[roadhawg 0]

why do you call this the second best flush draw?

[Moneyball16 0]

why do you call this the second best flush draw?

Because while I was in the hand I wasnt sure If I should 3-bet the flop because I felt that one of the two opponents that cold called the bet and the raise could very like have a flush draw too, most likely beating my 7 high flush draw.

[Actuary 3]

leading this flop makes no sense to me.and, I'd lead the river.a whole lot of players check behind here.

[Zach6668 513]

leading this flop makes no sense to me.and, I'd lead the river.a whole lot of players check behind here.

Why not lead the flop?Would you rather raise a LP bettor? We don't know where the bet is going to come from, IF there is one. I lead this flop 99% of the time.

[Actuary 3]

I c/c a LP betI c/r an EP bet, assuming a couple callers.this flop isn't getting checked thruwe aren't leading most turns.why lead flop ?

[Zach6668 513]

I c/c a LP betI c/r an EP bet, assuming a couple callers.this flop isn't getting checked thruwe aren't leading most turns.why lead flop ?

For value.

[Actuary 3]

For value.

that presumes we get more bets in the pot by leading.When some ep raises our lead, it hurts our chances to get more value (we need 3 callers to feel comfortable) this isn't getting checked thru, and a LP betor is more likely to get called by the ep checkers.leading if we know LP raises and a couple others are calling in between is cool; but that's a stretch.we also have to hit the flush and the pot is smallish now, no reason to clean up outs or take the lead.

[Zach6668 513]

that presumes we get more bets in the pot by leading.When some ep raises our lead, it hurts our chances to get more value (we need 3 callers to feel comfortable) this isn't getting checked thru, and a LP betor is more likely to get called by the ep checkers.leading if we know LP raises and a couple others are calling in between is cool; but that's a stretch.we also have to hit the flush and the pot is smallish now, no reason to clean up outs or take the lead.

Yeah, these are all good points.

[Moneyball16 0]

I c/c a LP betI c/r an EP bet, assuming a couple callers.this flop isn't getting checked thruwe aren't leading most turns.why lead flop ?

If the flop contains the King of spades instead of the Ace of spades would you lead the flop? If not what kind of flop would you lead into 5 other players with a flush draw.

[Actuary 3]

If the flop contains the King of spades instead of the Ace of spades would you lead the flop? If not what kind of flop would you lead into 5 other players with a flush draw.

certainly if I also flopped a pair or a gut shot / oesd to go along with the FD, I would lead.If Ks instead, that might get me to lead more, thinking it gets checked thur slightly more often. Probably not thoughGenerally with pretty strong draws and othwise worthless hands in small-mid pots with lots of players I'm looking to build a pot. We agree there. I think it's built up more while maximizing our Equity Bet Quotient (the percentage of money we are contributing into the pot as compared to our odds of winning the hand ) by not leading.

[roadhawg 0]

why would you 3 bet this flop with that many people when you thought someone had a better flush draw?

[Moneyball16 0]

why would you 3 bet this flop with that many people when you thought someone had a better flush draw?

I thought it was possible that someone had a flush draw, but I could never be sure. The possiblity of another flush draw is why I posted this hand. I wasnt sure what to do, hence the post.

[roadhawg 0]

i know and that is my advice to you. dont 3 bet with a flush draw if you think someone has a better one because then if you make it you will just lose more money. i put it in the form of a quesiton so that you would answer your own question.

[Actuary 3]

thinking someone could have a better flush draw just because they cold called is playing too scaredthere might be other reasons to not 3 bet, but not solely based on that.

[roadhawg 0]

thinking someone could have a better flush draw just because they cold called is playing too scaredthere might be other reasons to not 3 bet, but not solely based on that.

i dont know if you are talking to me in this post but i agree with you jsut because someone cold called 3 bets doesnt mean he has a flush draw.but i see no reason to 3 bet if you do think someone does have a flush draw cause you are just putting money in dead

[Actuary 3]

i dont know if you are talking to me in this post but i agree with you jsut because someone cold called 3 bets doesnt mean he has a flush draw.but i see no reason to 3 bet if you do think someone does have a flush draw cause you are just putting money in dead

the part for you was: "When a poster says, He thinks.. well, that's just that..thinks. It should not make us analyisers go "Oh..well, then don't 3 bet" We have to think beyond the "think he might have a better draw"We can put a percentage on it as well as all the other hands; based on reads, action ,card combos, etc..and determine best action from there..not narrow down so soon.

[roadhawg 0]

i knwo what you are saying i was just wondering why he would put a third bet in when he thought someone had a better flush draw, it makes no sense to me thats all. if you think someone has a better flush draw just call and see what happens from there. thats just how i would play it though