I'ma High Roller Part 3 (15/30)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bellagio 15/30 LHE (9-handed)Cobalt is CO w/ 6 5 . My image is tight. Game is loose-passive. MP2 is a loose donkey of an old man. He seriously seems to have no idea how to play. Button is tight-passive.Pre-flop:1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Cobalt calls, Button raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Cobalt callsFlop (12.5 SB): 9 6 5 (6 players)2 checks, MP2 bets, 1 fold, Cobalt raises, 3 folds, MP2 callsTurn (8.25 BB): 3 (3 players)MP2 checks, Cobalt bets, MP2 callsRiver (10.25 BB): 7 (3 players)MP2 bets, Cobalt callsFinal Pot: 12.25 BBStill in the standard camp, right?

[roadhawg 0]

just the way i would have played it. there isnt much of a reason for raising on the river.

[mrdannyg 274]

Depending on how much of a donkey, and specific reads, you could argue for raise/calling or raise/folding the river, but in that pot, I'm getting to a showdown with two pair. The river sucks, and its HU, so at best not raising is a tiny mistake. More likely, I think calling is better.Everywhere else seems very standard. In fact, these hands have all been so standard and perfectly played that I'm cringing at the thought of hearing your results.

[screech 0]

I raise/fold the river.

[mikeysong 0]

i prefer just callingthere's so many dangerous hands raising seems to waste an extra bb hand if he has a higher two pair or the straightUNLESSyou've seen him bet the river w/a single pair. I've been seeing that a lot in online 3/6 lately. I lead all the way to river and then the punk bets so I simply call worried that he might river a 2pair or something, when in fact he shows top pair bad kicker

[screech 0]

i prefer just callingthere's so many dangerous hands raising seems to waste an extra bb hand if he has a higher two pair or the straightUNLESSyou've seen him bet the river w/a single pair. I've been seeing that a lot in online 3/6 lately. I lead all the way to river and then the punk bets so I simply call worried that he might river a 2pair or something, when in fact he shows top pair bad kicker

youre right.

[GoingBusto 0]

One of those times when you hate to just call, but I think that's right. I don't think you're ahead more than 2/3 here.GB

[screech 0]

One of those times when you hate to just call, but I think that's right. I don't think you're ahead more than 2/3 here.GB

I don't mean to nitpick, but I just want to clarify something concerning the whole 2/3 line of thought. You are risking 2 to win 1, but by calling the raise, you are assuming you win some small % of the time that is greater than your pot odds, if not, you would fold. And those times you are best, you win 2 bets instead of one. So in practical terms, you really only have to be good somewhere around 60% of the time to make the raise. Again, not to nitpick, youre line of thought is correct. The 2/3 thing is just a pet peeve of mine.

[roadhawg 0]

what about when the guy re raises you and then you are in 3 bets?

[Zach6668 513]

what about when the guy re raises you and then you are in 3 bets?

Fold.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I didn't think I was ahead often enough to be able to put in a raise. That said, I did think there was a slight enough chance that I was ahead to put in the call.Grandpa donkey turned over 5 4 for the runner-runner.

[roadhawg 0]

Fold.

why would you even put the raise in if when the guy re raises you fold? why not just call instead? because you have a marginal hand that is worth just calling.

[Zach6668 513]

I never advocated a raise fold line, however, here are it's merits:1. Get value from worse hands2. Fold some better hands3. We don't get 3 bet by worse hands ever, so we can easily fold to a 3-betIt's a very small play in terms of overall value vs just calling, but if applied in the right places, it can be +ev.

[roadhawg 0]

no i understood why you would do it, but what better hands can the guy have that he will fold?

[Zach6668 513]

no i understood why you would do it, but what better hands can the guy have that he will fold?

Yeah, I agree, I think it sucks here.