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[billj4727]

I'm fairly new to poker and have only been playing for about 3 months. I lost on the 1st hand of my home game with pocket aces. Im wondering if i made a bad mistake in this hand and if it should have been a pretty easy lay down. This was short handed play with only 5 people playing.

Seat 1-zack(1500 in chips)

Seat 2-pat(1500 in chips)

Seat 3-jeff(1500 in chips)

Seat 4-bill(1500 in chips)

Seat 5-rob(1500 in chips)

jeff-posts small blind of 10

bill-posts big blind of 20

bill-dealt(Ad Ac)

zack-folds

pat-folds

jeff-calls the 10

bill-raises to 60 from the big blind

rob-folds

jeff-calls 60

FLOP[2d 3c 5h]

jeff-checks

bill-bets 220

jeff-raises to 600

bill-moves all in

TURN-[2d 3c 5h][Jc]

RIVER-2d 3c 5h Jc[9s]

jeff-shows [3s 5d] for two pair

So I lost with my pocket aces to two pair. I really felt like my only choice on the flop after being check raised was to either move all in or fold and unfortunately it was the wrong choice. I just figured there were to many ways to second guess myself in the situation and i didn't want to take a chance of laying down the best hand there. I'd like to know if i played that badly and should have just folded after the check raise.

[Zach6668]

Welcome.

Any tourney hands should go in the tourney form.

Also, please don't post results, at least not until we have had a few days to respond to the hand.

As for the hand, I usually go broke there too. I think, if you wanted to play a smaller pot, you could have, less of a preflop raise, and leading only half the pot or so. Actually, your flop bet was way too big, and that was the reason you let him get all his chips in with you. Having said that, it's still hard to get away from AA on this board, unless you know the player real well. He'll almost never have two pair, he rarely has A4 since we have 2 aces, and 46 would be as much of a stretch as 23, 35, 25 for 2 pair as even the loosest players dumb these preflop. I could see this beig 22, 33, 55 a lot, even 44. If it is a set, then we have 6 outs to beat it, 44 we are beatting and only have to dodge 6 outs. I think it's probably more like 66-88 or something, or A5 or something like that enough to be happy with getting it all in here. Even if it is 2 pair, we do have 5 outs to beat it on the flop, and 8 outs on the turn.

Chalk this one up to a donkey call by 35o, and some bad luck.

- Zach

[billj4727]

Thanks for the advice i appreciate it. Im sorry i posted that in this forum im new here and should have read the forum guidelines.

[Zach6668]

Thanks for the advice i appreciate it. Im sorry i posted that in this forum im new here and should have read the forum guidelines.

No worries dude... just don't do it again!

[Actuary]

hi.

you ignored your opponent screaming at you that he had AA cracked.

It's folded to him in SB, he can have any two cards.
But often a Pair that would be higher than the flop cards would raise preflop.

So it's less likely he has, say 99 here.

You then make a standard raise from BB.
that's fine. It tells him you have Two hig cards or a decent pair, or you're mixing it up with some agrression... so pretty wide range.

Now come flop, and checks.. you overbet the pot, and he still follows thru with a c/r. After his bet you have 980 in pot, with 1200 left, and you need to call 380. His bet does not define his hand to me, that is, it's low enough to extract value if he has 46 or a set, but plenty big enough to keep you from drawing to an Ace or a 4 or better 2 pair

you can beat an over pair, but he should fold to any push with say 77 here - thus gaining less than you risk (and as noted before, most over pairs are raisng from the SB preflop when folded); but you don't have odds otherwise. Yuo have no fold equity against a hand that is ahead of you.

If he pulls this with an OESD or a Pair+OESD then, you can argue a push; however, I think you have show enough strength with your hand that he can expect a call or re-raise here by you, making the play a c/r for value (seemingly), with just a draw out of position less likely

of course, all this asumes he actually pays attention to what you are doing and not just his two cards.

How does the hand play differently if I'm you?

I might lay down to the c/r; if I had a good read on the villain from playing live a few times with him.

but often, I go broke too, thinking I'm against an overpair that "slow played" preflop