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#1 Scott3705

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 06:26 AM

full ring. (Radar's kinda off for this at this point cause i've been playing so much shed.. Not in a gambling mood tho. took a shot at 5/10 stud online and that sorta beat me up in one night).

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I have 100 and villian has 85

Table is crazy passive preflop.

3 limps to villian in CO who limps, SB compete, I check.9 icon_suit_spade.gif 2 icon_suit_spade.gif

FLOP ($6, 6 handed)

Flop 9d icon_suit_diamond.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif 5 icon_suit_spade.gif
I lead for $6 folded to SB who c/Res to $12. Fold? I can't fold to min raises for some reason.

Turn q icon_suit_spade.gif (30)
SB leads for 12, i call

River 5 icon_suit_diamond.gif(54) SB pushes for 60. I call.

hand 2:

3 limpers to me in co and I limp with j icon_suit_club.gif 9 icon_suit_club.gif SB completes BB checks.

flop ($6, 6 handed)
9 icon_suit_heart.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif 7 icon_suit_club.gif
checked to me, I bet $6, BB C/Res to $20. I call

turn Q icon_suit_diamond.gif (46)
BB bets 30, I call

river (106)
2 icon_suit_heart.gif
BB bets 50, I call

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 06:39 AM

Seems standard, more so hand 1.
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 07:31 AM

Hand 1. I would've played it the same way. Probably folding the turn if it wasn't a spade or deuce. Hope sb didn't have Q9. Nice catch on the riv 5.

Hand 2. Very, very standard. Nobody respects your leads when you're showing trips afterwards, huh?
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 09:23 AM

QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 7:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hand 1. I would've played it the same way. Probably folding the turn if it wasn't a spade or deuce. Hope sb didn't have Q9. Nice catch on the riv 5.

Hand 2. Very, very standard. Nobody respects your leads when you're showing trips afterwards, huh?


Like I said, my radar is off from shed. Hand 1: I probably fold w/o the spade and hand 2...I just didn't know. Both hands I felt I was behind the entire time.

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 09:52 AM

I like the way they were played.
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 09:55 AM

Hand 1 - I thinks u got lucky

Hand 2 - I thinks u r behind

Bonus Question: Why did u switch back to FR?
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 10:01 AM

I'd play them exactly the same, though the 5 on the rive sure would have made me feel better

I've seen people make this move with oesd as much as with trips
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#8 Scott3705

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 10:10 AM

QUOTE (krup24 @ Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 9:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hand 1 - I thinks u got lucky

Hand 2 - I thinks u r behind

Bonus Question: Why did u switch back to FR?


just temporary. my little FCP oddesey of BR building took a bad turn the other night. Playing Shed, i got on a real action table but kept finding myself on the wrong end of hands. I was constantly getting raised w/ air when i aired and never getting paid off... I lost close to 4 buyins at that table. I then went on later that night to play some 5/10 stud (which is my limit live) but just couldn't catch good to save my life and went though about 50 bets (which isn't that bad, but it's still 5 buy-ins at 100nl. So basically I lost 9 buy ins in one night and I just wasn't in a gambling type mood.

Hand 1. you'd think huh.

Hand 2. Like I said, my radar was off and thought any 9 might bet like that. At the river I think i'm priced in tho.

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
just temporary. my little FCP oddesey of BR building took a bad turn the other night. Playing Shed, i got on a real action table but kept finding myself on the wrong end of hands. I was constantly getting raised w/ air when i aired and never getting paid off... I lost close to 4 buyins at that table. I then went on later that night to play some 5/10 stud (which is my limit live) but just couldn't catch good to save my life and went though about 50 bets (which isn't that bad, but it's still 5 buy-ins at 100nl. So basically I lost 9 buy ins in one night and I just wasn't in a gambling type mood.

Hand 1. you'd think huh.

Hand 2. Like I said, my radar was off and thought any 9 might bet like that. At the river I think i'm priced in tho.



Wow thats a rough night man. Hope it turns around 4 ya.

Yea ur priced in on hand 2
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Posted 20 July 2006 - 10:27 AM

FWIW, I'd play both the same. I might find a fold on the river in hand 1 if the 5 didn't come, but maybe I fold too much.

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Posted 20 July 2006 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE (AlphaOmega @ Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 10:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FWIW, I'd play both the same. I might find a fold on the river in hand 1 if the 5 didn't come, but maybe I fold too much.

yeah, I think I would have found a fold on the turn w/o the spade.

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 05:21 AM

Hand 1: I found 55, made sense and exactly mimicked a live game hand I had that I was able to fold on the river because we had close to 4k stacks at a 2/5 table.

Hand2: I found 98.

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 08:43 AM

go back to 6 max. it misses thee.

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 08:52 AM

QUOTE (Jordan @ Friday, July 21st, 2006, 8:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I won a $20 PLO tourney yesterday for $500 so I probably will go back. I just can't play full anymore. I'm convinced.

Just as a side note, I was playing full again last night and was 4-tabling... after a decent amount of hands to get stats for PT, I only had 3 players w/ VPIP of over 20% and only 1 player with a PR% of over 6. (out of 26 players that I had atleast 60 hands for). Of course I tried to start running over the table and it didn't work for ****.

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 09:08 AM

QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Friday, July 21st, 2006, 8:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I won a $20 PLO tourney yesterday for $500 so I probably will go back. I just can't play full anymore. I'm convinced.

Just as a side note, I was playing full again last night and was 4-tabling... after a decent amount of hands to get stats for PT, I only had 3 players w/ VPIP of over 20% and only 1 player with a PR% of over 6. (out of 26 players that I had atleast 60 hands for). Of course I tried to start running over the table and it didn't work for ****.


Frankly, I find PT is worth squat for anything under 5000 hands.

I know someone who won a $5 UB tournament where his VPIP was 11% over the course of the tourney...400ish hands?....and he's a relatively loose player...it was just one of those tourneys where he mostly got hands like 93, and when he got the monsters, they paid off. But, normally, over something like 10000 hands, his VPIP is about 30%.

But if you used PT to track his entire tournament, and made decisions based on it late in the tournament, you would be thoroughly assraped.

I once won a $20 rebuy live tourney, with 100 people, where I played less than 15 hands over four hours....but I got aces three times, spiked a third ace all three times, and doubled up all three times. But if you based your image on me on that one tournament you'd be thoroughly screwed the next time we played.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 09:16 AM

QUOTE (shpaget @ Friday, July 21st, 2006, 9:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Frankly, I find PT is worth squat for anything under 5000 hands.

I know someone who won a $5 UB tournament when his VPIP was 11%....and he's a relatively loose player...it was just one of those tourneys where he mostly got hands like 93, and when he got the monsters, they paid off. But, normally, over something like 10000 hands, his VPIP is about 30%.

But if you used PT to track his entire tournament, and made decisions based on it late in the tournament, you would be thoroughly assraped.

Yeah, I wonder about that often because some times, I find some stats tha tget spouted out at about 100 hands or so to be just crazy. Not that I thought alll these stats were spot on for each player, it was just showed how tight all these tables were playing in general at the point in time I was playing.

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Posted 21 July 2006 - 11:08 AM

I have a weird relationship with SH vs. FR NL HE.

Right now I'm bonus-whoring/br building on a new site to me, so I'm multi-tabling $25max and $50max NL tables.

When I venture for fun or bankroll up to $100 or $200 max NL, I play FT. I guess variance and caring about that much money still (regardless of my br) keeps me there. I feel better about playing TAG in a FR situation as well.

I'm no expert, but I NEVER play anything but FR when I do limit HE. I can't stand the variance and suckouts as it is.

EDIT: Do any casinos do SH tables or are they just not profitable for them? That would be a lot of fun, playing SH live. They would still make the same amount (theoretically) because we'd be getting through twice as many hands.
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