zimmer4141 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Couple of hands here I'm unsure about. FT isn't working with converter, sorry for the mess.This hand, guy has played strangely, making weird moves, but don't have a concrete read on him yet.Full Tilt Poker Game #811194868: Table Dinning (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:46:01 ET - 2006/07/18Seat 1: ghc923 ($295.35)Seat 2: Stoney2285 ($260.15)Seat 3: kamb1 ($693.05)Seat 4: PureSterling ($67.90)Seat 5: OvrLkSucessGuy ($85.25)Seat 6: Zimmer4141 ($262.30)ghc923 posts the small blind of $1Stoney2285 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #6*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Zimmer4141 [Ts Js]kamb1 calls $2PureSterling foldsOvrLkSucessGuy foldsZimmer4141 raises to $6ghc923 foldsStoney2285 calls $4kamb1 calls $4*** FLOP *** [9s 5d Jc]Stoney2285 checkskamb1 checksZimmer4141 bets $12Stoney2285 raises to $28kamb1 foldsZimmer4141 calls $16*** TURN *** [9s 5d Jc] [Qs]Stoney2285 bets $47Zimmer4141 raises to $228.30, and is all inI'm already guessing preflop was a mistake on this hand, same opponent as above hand. Fold the flop here?Full Tilt Poker Game #811221863: Table Dinning (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:54:20 ET - 2006/07/18Seat 1: ghc923 ($348.10)Seat 2: Stoney2285 ($530.35)Seat 3: kamb1 ($722.15)Seat 4: E-diggity ($78)Seat 5: OvrLkSucessGuy ($82)Seat 6: Zimmer4141 ($203)Stoney2285 posts the small blind of $1kamb1 posts the big blind of $2The button is in seat #1*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Zimmer4141 [Qc Qs]E-diggity calls $2OvrLkSucessGuy calls $2Zimmer4141 raises to $10ghc923 foldsStoney2285 raises to $36kamb1 foldsE-diggity foldsOvrLkSucessGuy foldsZimmer4141 calls $26*** FLOP *** [7s 8c 5h]Stoney2285 bets $494.35, and is all in Link to post Share on other sites
Jdr999 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 1st hand: As you said, no need to raise with a limper, plus you are on the button, and you open up the betting for a limp-reraise from EP. Flop and turn is fine.2nd hand: This is a very hard one for me. For me, 50% of the time they have you crushed (A's and K's) and 50% of the time you are ahead (J's and 10's). That is if they would re-raise you with J's or 10's pre-flop.I call primarly because of how they played the other hand. While they only called your pre-flop bet, they were very aggressive after the flop, check-raising you and leading on the turn.Also, if I had Aces or Kings on that flop, I might check it to induce a bet, call any bet, then lead the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
TraptSteve 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 1st hand: As you said, no need to raise with a limper, plus you are on the button, and you open up the betting for a limp-reraise from EP. Flop and turn is fine.2nd hand: This is a very hard one for me. For me, 50% of the time they have you crushed (A's and K's) and 50% of the time you are ahead (J's and 10's). That is if they would re-raise you with J's or 10's pre-flop.I call primarly because of how they played the other hand. While they only called your pre-flop bet, they were very aggressive after the flop, check-raising you and leading on the turn.Also, if I had Aces or Kings on that flop, I might check it to induce a bet, call any bet, then lead the turn.Let me get this straight... after raising preflop OOP w/ A-A, you plan on checking the flop?Q-Q's are a tough hand for this very situation Link to post Share on other sites
Jdr999 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Let me get this straight... after raising preflop OOP w/ A-A, you plan on checking the flop?Q-Q's are a tough hand for this very situationIt depends on the player.If you had Aces on this flop and someone called a $36 raise with $200 behind, what do you put them on? I put them on A-K and Q's-10's.Also, why would aces shove in on this flop when they have the other player covered? Why not make a pot sized bet instead? Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 lol1st hand - i'm guessing he had JQ,k10 or set - right (I'm going with 55)? Seeing as how the 2nd hand is 8 minutes later and how he has your chipstack + his, heh. Anyhow, I like the way you played it.pf - if you're gonna raise to take down blinds and weak players, make it more than 6. 5xbb at least.turn - I like because you're putting a lot of pressure on him. I don't know what the level of play is like at the 1/2nl level but I doubt 90% of them would fold their set to a flush draw and possible made straight. Nevertheless, if he has two pair or top pair, you're putting an extreme amount of pressure on him and you have 15 outs assuming the guy has a set or 2pair w/a J in it.2nd hand - Oof...really depends on what he had in hand #1 man.I think I'm gonna have to give him AA or KK unless he's played a wide variety of hands and is capable of making big pf raises w/out AA or KK Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 OK, first hand he called the $150 or so more with a red Q8.How does that affect your perception of the second hand? Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 OK, first hand he called the $150 or so more with a red Q8.How does that affect your perception of the second hand?damn you and your results. I was going to throw q10 out as his most likely holding. Preflop is fine. no problem w/ raising this in position hoping to pick up a small pot usually. (I will allow people to LRR me all day at a shed table).Flop: Probably exact line you wanna take here.Turn: It's close. I personally just don't see a whole lot that you're going to fold on this board right now. If he C/Red, he had 1. air 2. a draw that just hit top pair 3. a monster. For all of these, it's probably better to just call the turn and river than to push the turn.Hand 2: Armed w/ Q8, gambl gamble. He usually doesn't do this with aces and kings. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Is re-raising the preflop in hand 2, at all a possibility? Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 wow to hand 1...wowafter seeing that, I'd have to call here. He could be playing aces, kings, or even 8s if he's a sick gambling ******* but...given the bad play, he could even have A8. I'm taking my chances with my premium hand. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Against this guy in the second hand I probably instacall. I actually may reraise this donk pf and maybe even jam it. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 OK, I'm still relatively new to NL cash games, so I'm still learning when it's proper to make the huge laydown. Thanks for the help guys, I'm sure I'll be checking in every now and then. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeysong 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 what'd you do on hand #2 btwand who cares about the result for hand #1, no matter how painful I don't know how the hell he could call w/a red q,8. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 and who cares about the result for hand #1, no matter how painful I don't know how the hell he could call w/a red q,8.Well that tells us to play our QQ very strongly Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Author Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hand 2, I called, he had KK. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hand 2, I called, he had KK.Don't secondguess urself, call was fine. Reload and you'll have his chips. Link to post Share on other sites
spikymarv99 0 Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Hand 1:Preflop: depends on what you style is. I would pop it as well with the limper with the intention of trying to isolate and buy the button.Flop: Fold to the reraise; this is a very dry flop and not draw heavy. With all those callers, there is a good chance that you are dominated. Villan shows alot of strength... seems like a set more times than not based on the action so far. Turn: Fold. The call on the flop was dubious as best. That turn should scare villan, but he fires instead. If you had him beat on the flop (50-50), I don't think your ahead anymore.Barring a good read on villan, your hand doesn't have much value past the flop. Sometimes a donkey villan might steal a pot from you with a bluff check raise on the flop, but finding out is very expensive. Most of the time at these stakes, villan has the goods.Hand 2:I actually posted a hand EXACTLY like this from 3-6 NL. Villan raised and I reraised preflop. Villan open pushes on a garbage board ($500+). I folded probably a big mistake. Call... just because you don't want to be a donkey like me.Edit: just saw the result you posted from hand 1... I hope you stayed at the table until he left.I transitioned from Limit to No Limit as well..... it's tough to lay down hands that would cost you one extra bet in limit to call, but it's something you have to learn to do. If you have money, I would seriously recommend getting a NL coach. It helps alot. There are 2 10-20NL players at 2+2 (prob the biggest winners in the Party game) that are currently coaching. Go there and see if you can get something going. BTW... it will run over $400/hr but it's well worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
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