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#1 cdxx

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 02:44 PM

JJ is always interestingParty Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 max, 6 handed) converterUTG ($10.75)MP ($61.85)CO ($28.9)Button ($26.87)Hero ($40.68)BB ($24.65)Preflop: Hero is SB with [Jc], [Js]. 2 folds, CO calls $1.75, Button folds.Flop: ($4.50) [9s], [2c], [Tc] (2 players)Hero bets $2, CO calls $2.Turn: ($8.50) [4h] (2 players)Hero bets $6, CO calls $6.River: ($20.50) [Kd] (2 players)Hero checks, CO checks.Final Pot: $20.50Results in white below: Hero has Jc Js (one pair, jacks). CO has 7c 9h (one pair, nines). Outcome: Hero wins $20.50. the check on the river should have been a $2 bet, but I was scared. The guy pulled a K on me two hands before. yeah, i was tilting...

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 02:56 PM

3 to a flush, 3 to a straight, over pair, bet into him. If he's calling alot check it down, see if he's willing. If not, sounds like you got youtself a dilemma. Chances are you have him beat. Pretty much the only reasonable thing that can beat you (until the river that is) is QQ KK or AA. He may have stuck it out with 99 or TT. If he called a bet that big with ducks, don't sweat it since you will quickly get your money back from him. On the river Kx wins obviously.My theory is, figure out where the hand is going. Is it going towards all in? If you think so, the turn would have been an excellent place to push all your chips in. I wouldn't change anything about your bet on the flop because it certainly advertises your pocket over pair. Him calling should evaluate how far you will go. Would you call his all in on the turn? If so, be the aggressor and push them in. If not, you'd best check them down and fold. It's really nearly impossible to give you a good strategy for these situations, because they suck regardless. I'm a fan of being aggressive. I certainly dislike that flop as every n00b and their mom will try to draw on you if they have 4 to a flush. Make them be a 2 to 1 underdog and push all in.
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Posted 15 March 2005 - 03:06 PM

the check on the river should have been a $2 bet, but I was scared. The guy pulled a K on me two hands before. yeah, i was tilting...first, why are you gonna bet 2$ into a $20 pot, 8-12 minimumalso, why did you check, you have two things to fear, QJ or Kx with the K :D which unless had paired the board, shouldnt be in the handyou shoulda bet

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 03:22 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 4 handed) convertersaw flop|saw showdownUTG ($10.15)Button ($65.4)Hero ($39.88)BB ($35.6)Preflop: Hero is SB with [ts], [qh]. Hero posts a blind of $0.1. UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75.Flop: ($3) :), :club:, :) (3 players)Hero bets $1, BB calls $1, UTG folds.[b]Turn: ($5) :D (2 players)Hero bets $3, BB calls $3.[b]River: ($11) :D (2 players)Hero bets $2, Hero calls $4.[b]Final Pot: $23Results in white below: BB has 8s 9h (high card, queen). Hero has Ts Qh (two pair, queens and tens). Outcome: Hero wins $23.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 03:26 PM

you got real lucky on that onefirst you raise with Q10 offsuit....horribleyou luckily get called by 98oand betting $2 into a $11 pot.......that has to stop

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 03:33 PM

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the check on the river should have been a $2 bet, but I was scared. The guy pulled a K on me two hands before. yeah, i was tilting...first, why are you gonna bet 2$ into a $20 pot, 8-12 minimumalso, why did you check, you have two things to fear, QJ or Kx with the K :D which unless had paired the board, shouldnt be in the handyou shoulda bet
yeah, i should have. a check is useless. $2 is informational. obviously i'm afraid of a bunch of hands here, including Kx. i felt with the huge call on the turn, he would have folded if he was on a draw. so a king scared me. $12 is a bit much for me with an overcard showing, and just a pair. anyways, i made a bad decision but got away with it. i was also tilting a bit, didn't want to give up on the pocket pair.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 03:35 PM

XXEddie said:

and betting $2 into a $11 pot.......that has to stop
thanks for the advice

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 03:55 PM

OK for the first hand you posted.Please, if you want advice, do not post results, even in white. People will read them.Your PF raise here is pretty outlandish. 8x the BB? I think raising to about $1 here is better.But you bet $2, and on the flop you have a pot with $4.25 in it.I don't like your 1/2 pot sized bet here. You are giving odds to a flush or a straight draw, and are probably calling you here too. Bet at least $4 on this flop.The turn bet is better. I think only top pair or a very strong draw is calling you here. The check on the river is much better than a $2 bet! If you bet $2 in to a $20 pot on that river card, you look scared and a good player is going to make you think he has it and you are goin to lay down those jacks.The river check here is fine, but I like a at least 1/2 pot sized bet here, because a 9 (which I would put your villian on) still might call.OK for your second hand...Don't raise with Q10 offsuit, especially from the SB.OK so you hit your hand on the flop and you give the BB 4 to 1 to call you. Why give him the odds to call with the flush and the straight draw, both of which are out there. Bet at least the size of the pot.Again, your turn bet is better here, but you are still giving him close to 3 to 1 on his call. I would bet $5 here.I didn't look at results, but it looks like he caught his flush here. Could be a bluff and obviously you have to call the $4 more, but this is why your flop and turn bets need to be stronger.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 03:58 PM

My impression of your play here (no offense) is that you don't have the bankroll to be playing this level.Your small bets tell me you can't afford to make the correct ones and lose. How much is your bankroll, if you don't mind me asking?I would reccomend you have at least $300 in your account to play this level of NL.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 07:21 PM

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My impression of your play here (no offense) is that you don't have the bankroll to be playing this level.Your small bets tell me you can't afford to make the correct ones and lose. How much is your bankroll, if you don't mind me asking?I would reccomend you have at least $300 in your account to play this level of NL.
don't mind at all. i am actually at just about $220 on partypoker. the reason why i play at these tables is that its the game where i get best results. playing small limit (like .5/1), my swings are too big. at these limits, i get enough action on my hands that my bad play is still profitable. in general, i like to get ahead of the buy-in, and not let it drop below $30-40 without a good reason. i've busted out once in the last two weeks or so.i am playing a little too passive, but i think i am finally getting my play to a point where every time i sit down i am more comfortable raising, and not because of the bankroll behind me. after a few rounds playing tight, i get almost no action. preflop none of my raises are called, and an ace on the flop usually (but within reason) means i can steal with $1-2 bet.a little about QTo hand. my opponent was on a huge tilt, plus the table is 6-max, so you play a lot more loose. needless to say, i don't do it every time, and if i don't hit the flop, i fold. Q9o in the same situation is a definite no-go.

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Posted 15 March 2005 - 07:39 PM

The Q-T hand.The problem is you've got the UTG in the hand.Stealing is okay if its just you and the BB, but with the 3rd player in there, a raise makes less sense.QTo in the small blind is a good limping hand.Again you were lucky he 1) had a draw. and 2) called your river bet for some idiotic reason.
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