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[BudBundy 0]

CryptologicLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $1/$29 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with UTG folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.Flop: (5SB, 5 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls, MP2 folds.Turn: (4BB, 3 players)BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, BB folds, Hero raises, MP3 calls.River: (8BB, 2 players)Hero bets, MP3 folds.Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to Hero. Results:Final pot: 8BBBut noone raised preflop.Considering i failed my LRR attempt how did i play rest of the hand?

[Gargoyle97 0]

I think you can bet this flop and give MP3 a chance to raise. Then call and CR the turn.

[Actuary 3]

I think you can bet this flop and give MP3 a chance to raise. Then call and CR the turn.

and we know MP3 would've raised because .... ????******************************Bud,I presume that there was ample raising going on preflop; so that you were shocked when you had to fore-go the LRR ?I think you played it fine.

[Gargoyle97 0]

MP3 specifically is based on the hand as played. My point really was that opeing the flop betting doesn't telegraph you have a monster. Oh, and having the flop checked through blows.

[Actuary 3]

Oh, and having the flop checked through blows.

why ?or better ?... when it checks thru, how often are we getting called anyway on that board?

[BudBundy 0]

and we know MP3 would've raised because .... ????******************************Bud,I presume that there was ample raising going on preflop; so that you were shocked when you had to fore-go the LRR ?I think you played it fine.

Yea there were lotsa PF raising going on so i thought it was a good time to try the LRR trick for the first time.

[Actuary 3]

Yea there were lotsa PF raising going on so i thought it was a good time to try the LRR trick for the first time.

i'm doing it with regular success in NL SnG's.

[Gargoyle97 0]

why ?or better ?... when it checks thru, how often are we getting called anyway on that board?

It seems we have different views of the same point. Not many hands like this flop. There are plenty of players that love to call flop bets so lets try get somebody to make a mistake on flop and maybe another on the turn.There aren't many cards out there that anyone else can catch to improve so slow playing seems kind of pointless to me.It probably doesn't matter in the long run. You only win big against 6's full and some smaller pp that fills up. The 6s and some of the pp's will raise behind you on the flop in my opinion.

[Two_Stepper 0]

Considering the failed LRR, I think you played it fine. You slowplayed it enough to allow MP3 to give away his money on the flop and turn.I really love waiting for the c/r on the turn, rather than the flop.I have a general question about the LRR, do you guys think it is of more value in no-limt or limit? I think it would be more effective in no-limit. I hate playing AA, or KK in multiway pots in LH. I like to cut the field down to 2-3 players if possible.

[Actuary 3]

I think a late pos bet will be discounted more by the others, and thus be more likely calledoverall..I agree.. probably little difference

[Zach6668 513]

I'm leading the flop.

[Actuary 3]

I'm leading the flop.

what about Two-Steppers, solid point about getting in a c/r ?I'm still liking OP's play slightly better.

[Zach6668 513]

what about Two-Steppers, solid point about getting in a c/r ?I'm still liking OP's play slightly better.

What about the chance that the turn gets checked through because MP was leading with something like 22 or 33 and figures with 2 callers on a drawless board that he's beat? I realllllllly don't like the taking the chance that the turn gets checked through.- Zach

[Actuary 3]

I feel like Screech here in the HU hand where we flopped a monster and checked in pos (Ithink) to the river and finally bet.But, here, I would lead turn if flop is checked.If flop is bet, there's a goiod chance the turn will be as well.Depending on where bet comes from on flop, I may lead turn to trap another in between, or c/r an early bettor.If the turn gets cheked thru... then a lot of times we aren't getting called anyway, imo.

[Zach6668 513]

I feel like Screech here in the HU hand where we flopped a monster and checked in pos (Ithink) to the river and finally bet.But, here, I would lead turn if flop is checked.If flop is bet, there's a goiod chance the turn will be as well.Depending on where bet comes from on flop, I may lead turn to trap another in between, or c/r an early bettor.If the turn gets cheked thru... then a lot of times we aren't getting called anyway, imo.

See, this is either one of those "he's got the 6, and he'll pay you off, or he doesn't" I don't see what waiting for the turn really accomplishes. I think we can get a few peels on the flop here by leading out, and if we get played back at, great, but if not, we weren't going to make anything by waiting for the turn. So, if he does have the 6, or a hand he feels is good, ie Ax, then why not get more value out of them, by pressing the flop, turn and river.

[Abbaddabba 0]

If someone picks up a flush draw or a straight draw, they call the turn with something that they wouldnt call the flop with.If they pair on the turn, there's at least some chance that they call a turn bet.

[roadhawg 0]

always raise with aces in the lower limits, i see people get busted too often because they limped with them. people will call you with a lot of stupid hands even if you raise so you might as well raise and try to build the pot.i like the check on the flop but after it goes bet and call i would raise because they will both call because for some reason in the low limits they feel they are commited so take advantage of it. other then that the rest was played alright

[Actuary 3]

always raise with aces in the lower limits,

nothing wrong with going for a Limp Re-Raise, in the right games.

[roadhawg 0]

nothing wrong with going for a Limp Re-Raise, in the right games.

yeah but you have to be pretty certain that there will be a raise or else you are in for a lot of trouble. i would rather just play the straightforward way in a low limit because most people will call you either way.

[Actuary 3]

i would rather just play the straightforward way in a low limit because most people will call you either way.

yeah, me too.I did ask and he said that preflop raises were the norm. (see above). So that's good.At a tight aggressive table, a LRR will garner more value from hands that otherwise fold to an UTG raise.But, as you know, TA tables are not the norm at low stakes. So we agree.