DonkSlayer 1 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 This is more for the experienced posters here. Was worried about missing bets, but was having a bad day at the omaha tables and was more interested in missing two bb's than losing a bunch of them. I think the biggest mistake was not taking into consideration Adrock's position when he raised preflop when considering his hand range. I had no read, although he seemed decent.Stage #403900361: Holdem Normal $2/$4 - 2006-07-16 16:32:02 (ET)Table: PALMDALE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealerPRINCEOSPADE - Posts small blind $1MR_WOLFF - Posts big blind $2*** POCKET CARDS ***Dealt to DONKSLAYER [As Ah] INCHWORM - FoldsADROCK80 - Raises $4 to $4DONKSLAYER - Raises $6 to $6table folds except.. ADROCK80 - Calls $2*** FLOP *** [6c 2d 2s]ADROCK80 - Bets $2DONKSLAYER - Raises $4 to $4ADROCK80 - Calls $2*** TURN *** [6c 2d 2s] [3h]ADROCK80 - ChecksDONKSLAYER - Checks*** RIVER *** [6c 2d 2s 3h] [3c]ADROCK80 - Bets $4DONKSLAYER - Calls $4*** SHOW DOWN *** Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 This is more for the experienced posters here.huh? pretty basic pussy hand. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I am not an experienced poster but I bet turn and lead river.He probably has a pocket pair there.No flush draw on the board so whats he calling with?A3?no way. A6? we hope so. I think you missed a BB there.But again..i am not experienced. Link to post Share on other sites
GoingBusto 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I'm an experienced poster but I recently changed my account name. Thus, I am qualified to tell you that you played this hand pretty terribly.3-bet the flop.Bet/3-bet the turn - some may disagree with this, but I'd ask them to consider villain's hand rangeBet the river.GB Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 Actuary, thanks for the tough love.Going, re-read the OP before you say dumb **** like 3-bet flop when Im behind the bettor. Cheers~ Link to post Share on other sites
GoingBusto 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Going, re-read the OP before you say dumb **** like 3-bet flop when Im behind the bettor.Wow, way to be a prick. Sorry, I couldn't tell who was what with the way you posted the hand, sue me. They make these things called converters... you should look into that. Nice check behind on the turn tho (edit: sw).GB Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 Wow, way to be a prick. Sorry, I couldn't tell who was what with the way you posted the hand, sue me. They make these things called converters... you should look into that. Nice check behind on the turn tho (edit: sw).GB Wah.Guess it's time to lockitup. Link to post Share on other sites
The Nuts 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I don't like the turn or river. I'm jamming the pot on both of those streets. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Bet turn. Bet river. CONVERT YOUR HANDS.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I'm an experienced poster but I recently changed my account name.who and why ? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 who and why ?I'm curious about this too... I'm not taking you seriously until I find out... Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 What was your position at the table? If you were in EP in a 9 or 10 handed game, you should consider just calling preflop.Flop seems ok. Calling to raise any turn would be good too.Turn sucks. I have no idea why you never bet. Villian isn't going to fold, and given his flop raise, it's unlikely he has you beat.River is a raise. What hands are you scared of? Link to post Share on other sites
GoingBusto 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I'm not taking you seriously until I find out...I can live with that.GB Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 What was your position at the table? If you were in EP in a 9 or 10 handed game, you should consider just calling preflop.Flop seems ok. Calling to raise any turn would be good too.Turn sucks. I have no idea why you never bet. Villian isn't going to fold, and given his flop raise, it's unlikely he has you beat.River is a raise. What hands are you scared of?LOSING!Haha. I know I missed bets here. I didn't pay enough attention to the board and the position of the raiser; I was stuck on the action only. If the board and been more middle or lower faces, I think my line would've been OK. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I can live with that.GBlol, ok. Link to post Share on other sites
roadhawg 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 yeah you have to jam this pot with aces in position. the player probably had 10's or J's and was afraid of an over pair on the flop. i am sure he would've just check called you on the turn and the river. you have to learn to be the agressor or you will be eaten alive in the limit games. there are many reasons for betting the turn, 1. if you bet the turn you find out where you are, if he raises you can then be more cautious, but if he jsut calls you are going to be ahead most of the time and get get another bet in on the river with confidence.2. it shows you are the aggressor and even if he has you beat he might check to you on the river either afraid or hoping to get a check raise in, in which case after he checks to you on the river you can then decide if you want to bet it or not. the problem you have with aces in this spot when that board comes down is if the guy flopped a set you are going to have to pay him off but with bets you can most likely figure out where you are in the hand. it seemed liek you knew where you were on the flop (ahead) but with the check on the turn you again had no idea what he ahd when he bet into you on the river (although my guess is that he had jacks of tens).and what do you mean with experienced posters? just cause someone has a lot of posts doesnt make him a good limit player and vise versa. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 and what do you mean with experienced posters? just cause someone has a lot of posts doesnt make him a good limit player and vise versa.Good point. I meant "players" I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Roadhawg,why would you slow down if c/r 'd on the turn?We are ahead so often.I'd 3-bet is Raised on turn. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Roadhawg,why would you slow down if c/r 'd on the turn?We are ahead so often.I'd 3-bet is Raised on turn.I agree. Since when did everyone here turn into such pussies? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 I agree. Since when did everyone here turn into such pussies?It's not everybody. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 It's not everybody.Maybe not, but gross generalizations are much easier than specific criticisms. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Maybe not, but gross generalizations are much easier than specific criticisms. LOL, I know, but I have noticed this too... there are a few people lately that have posted like this... weak-tight is not a long term winning strategy. Link to post Share on other sites
roadhawg 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 why would you 3 bet the turn? the only reason i could think of is to see exactly where you are at (and i mean to see if he 4 bets or just calls) because there are still hands that have him beat and if the guy does check raise most of the time in these lower limits they will have it. i know the guy could be doing this with an over pair but really.... well actually this is low limit so yeah it does make sense that the guy would do this with an over pair but i still think you need to be more catious when someone does show strength. i am not saying to give up but dont go out guns blazing when someone shows stregth cause aces do get cracked a lot by small pairs because of small sets. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 simple card combinations.He raised from EP.How often is that 66?Or the one 22 remaining ?33 betting the flop and calling a raise ?The only reason to perhaps not 3-bet, would be if you strongly suspect he will fold to a 3 bet and otherwise lead the river - in which case you raise river. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 simple card combinations.He raised from EP.How often is that 66?Or the one 22 remaining ?33 betting the flop and calling a raise ?The only reason to perhaps not 3-bet, would be if you strongly suspect he will fold to a 3 bet and otherwise lead the river - in which case you raise river.Exactly. Seeing where you're at makes no sense because it implies you are going to get away from your hand. It's pure value baby. Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now