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[hblask]

Sorry, I don't have the hand history, so I'll do my best to recreate the situation. This is a $30+3 tournament, blinds are around $150/75. Around 40 people left, top 10 pay. I have around the average stack, around $3500, and am in the middle of the pack (around 25th). I had just taken a couple of bad beats to drop me out of the top 10.

I am dealt a T6o in the BB, and the only caller is the button. I really don't want to be in this hand, but there it is.

So, should I raise to a single limper and just try to steal it? I had a vague feeling that this guy wouldn't let me take it; I believe he had called an earlier late position raise by me with a weak hand, but I may have been confused. I think he's been involved in lots of hands all the way to showdown.

So anyway, I don't raise, and disaster: the flop comes 10-9-x. Now what? Bet the pot? Less? More? Push all-in? If my read was right, he's unlikely to fold to anything less than all-in, and if he connected on any one pair, I doubt anything will get him to fold. I put villain on any two playable cards.

As I write this, the answer seems obvious now, but at the time it wasn't, so I'd like eveyone's opinions.

[Actuary]

I sense panic.
Why?



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certainly not worth going to war here.

Will he bet/raise a better hand here?

[hblask]

I sense panic.
Why?
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certainly not worth going to war here.

Will he bet/raise a better hand here?

I think he would raise with a better hand, such as 2p or overpair.

Panic, hmmm, I guess. These are those situations that drive me nuts -- I always seem to pick the wrong side of it. If I didn't bet, I think he'd have raised with anything, and then I'm done. The problem was, I had no way to put him on much of anything, but I have top pair, useless kicker, and I don't think any bet I make narrows down his range much.

The 'panic' comment is interesting, because I think I do need to figure out how to step back from the game in real time. Oftentimes, after a hand happens I think I should post it to see if my thinking was OK, and by the time I develop a wording I already know the answer, and I should've known it at the time.

Your reply has me doubting my ideas here....

[Actuary]

this is such a common occurrence, so the "Panic" comment was gleaned from a rather lengthy post on a mundane hand.

You have M=16.

And are against a calling station with a marginal, vulnerable hand and 375 in pot.

A normal, small ball approach here betting f 100, t 150, r 250 folding to raises, seems plausible. You are usually ahead here.
You can also check river and decide if he bets.


If he is likely to raise you off the hand with junk often if you bet small, then, heck let it go. c/f flop.

[iggymcfly]

This depends on our read of the button. If you regularly see him open-limp in LP, then this is actually a really good flop where we're probably ahead. Depending on his level of aggressiveness, either lead for around half the pot or check/raise.

If you've never seen him do this before, there's a good chance that he has a big pair. In that case, check/call the flop and see what he does on the turn. If he leads strongly at you again, you can drop, and if he has nothing, he'll probably just check behind on the turn.

[SavageHenry]

i dont like check calling the flop. i think you bet 1/2 to 2/3 and see what he does. if you re-reraises you can fold but check calling the flop gives no info. you could also go for the check raise which is definitely more volatile but its a go for the win play since you are very very far from the money at this point.

1. Lead into the pot with a healthy bet and react to the villain.
2. Check with the intention of check raisin the villain.
3. Check fold to the cb. Weakish and scared but you would have given up the blind if someone had raised anyway.
4. Check call the cb. i hate check calling here because i will still have no clue where im at especially if some paint or an ace drops.

[Actuary]

the villain is a calling station that bets any time we check to him.
and raises better hands.

not sure we shoudl bet very much here, given the lack of info we'll get anyway, and lack of fold equity..and marginal hand.

lol... such a simple hand, yet... I've posted 10 times already on it.

in my eyes..if you invest about 500-600 more to win the 375 + his calls, that's about right. Much more and it's not worth it.