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[Knightmare44]

so I join a $5.50 headhunters sit-n-go on Jetsetpoker - pretty fun for those that haven't played it - very first hand I get ace a utg. - I limp in, UTG+1 raises to 160 , folded back to me - so I decide to just call. flop comes K 4 2 - Pretty safe flop for me I'm thinking - sure hope he has a-k! I check, he bets about 500 - (we started w/1500 btw) I push it - he calls immediately, he DOES have a-k! but wait.. ACE K ... turn.... 7 ...river.... 9 for a final board of k 2 4 7 9 - ace high flush and there I go - FLOOOOOSH down the drain in one hand- thinking about it - this is really a no-win situation for me- at no point can I get him off his and - even if I pushed it pre-flop - with the added head hunter bonus people are really reluctant to lay down a-k. If I just call the flop he surely goes all-in on the turn and then I have to seriously consider throwing my hand away fearing aq or something. (If I still have chips on the river obviously I can throw my hand away) Anyone else had something similar? kjfg;lhf;aihklg;a hgsk;l<--- I just had aces smashed by kings in another tourny.

[DKE_XP120]

[quote name='"Knightmare44"]- I limp in' date=' UTG+1 raises to 160 , folded back to me - so I decide to just call. quote']Dont limp with AA.... dont just call with AA either

[Emptyeye]

Meh, I've heard people say that MAYBE it's okay to limp with aces in an early position. I personally don't do it--being a student of the "if you decide to play a hand, raise the same amount whether you have aces or 5-3o" school of thought--but the idea is that you're hoping someone raises, and can thus slap a giant re-raise on when it gets back to you.You, on the other hand, limp from the early position...and then CALL when it gets around to you? ARRRGH!!!!Lesson, people: Aces, PRE-FLOP, are a monster hand. But POST-FLOP, you have to remember that all you've got is one pair, and not a lot of opportunity for improvement. That's why it's important to play them hard pre-flop, and if you don't, make damn sure you're good enough to be able to get away from them post-flop.In this particular instance, would it have made a lot of difference? Maybe. But you pulled a classic Phil Hellmuth in that you set yourself up for this situation by trying to make the fancy play (as opposed to the straightforward one of "Raise (Or reraise, if you insist on limping with aces from an early position and it gets raised) preflop, bet flop, THEN reevaluate where you're at if you get raised") and then cried about it when it backfired.That flop is okay for you, I suppose, but it's hardly what I'd call safe. You mentioned that you check/pushed in and "hoped he had AK." What if your read is off and he has something like AQ of spades? Oops, congratulations, your check just gave him a free card (If he decides to take it) to try and make his flush. Maybe he's got pocket kings (Or fours, or deuces) and just flopped his set, in which case you're in a world of hurt. And of course, it's possible he was making a move at the blinds and your call, and hit the flop hard with something like K4. Bottom line is that, having not hit a set, and with no spade in your hand, your aces are a lot more vulnerable than you thought they were.So the moral of the story is: NEVER SLOWPLAY ACES. Hopefully that's a lesson you won't need to be taught again. Yeah, what happened to you sucks, but you really set yourself up for it with how you played the hand.

[Knightmare44]

actually I Was reasonably sure he HAD a-k.. so I felt like just calling with aces was setting up a lot bigger chance to win big - and it seems like you're being to result oriented. I got him to put in all his chips as an underdog, when i said "I hope he has a-k" that was b4 he acted - based on his act I don't think he would have bet huge with a set of kings. and as to just calling pre flop - obviously if there's more than one caller I'm pushing to eliminate - but so what if he has 2-9 offsuit or k-4 offsuit - he obviously thinks I'm weak and he's going to bet ANY flop - ANY if he's raising with those cards he's looking to outplay me. Since I was right with my a-k - which was what I put him on with the big flop bet - my hand was 86.1% favorite to win & I got all my chips in the middle - and as for raising first out - in this hand nothing different happens a-k comes over the top & I lose all my chips anyway - but normally everyone will fold and you'll win 15 chips15wow throw a party - my stack went up 1%oh look now it's my bb & after the blinds passed I've wasted aces & my stack hasn't budged. my post wasn't a "whine whine my aces got beat story" jerk - I know damn well what I'm doing and I would play it again like that - not EVERY time - but sometimes. - the flop bet smelled like a-k and it's a high probability he bets HU with a-q of spades after it's checked to him - and then he's putting all his chips in again as a dog. now if he DOES HAVE k-k or 2-2 or 4-4 then I can't really get off my hand - since he bet 500 I could just raise and now I've put 1160 of my original 1500 and am left with 340 chips left - he comes back @ me & I'm supposed to throw it away? put in 340 to win 3015 with which is quite possibly the best hand? I wasn't posting a post complaining about my aces gotten beaten - I was posting it because of the NO-WIN situation for me - and was wondering if anyone else had similar situations where they had the best hand till the river but had no possibly chance of getting the guy off his hand. Also if he DOES have 2's or 4's he's going to call a reraise or original raise pre-flop since it's a headhunters and there's the incentive of 3-6$ bounty per person. and since he's UTG+1 he PROBABLY doesn't have k-4 eh? making a 160 steal @ the 15 blinds from second out with k-4 off? even jetset players aren't THAT bad. now- I think my decision just to call pre-flop could be argued as bad because if I push he will undeniably call and then I'll get all my money in as an 88% favorite - but post-flop I don't think there's an argument for playing it differently except pushing it into him - don't think I'm laying down aces to a 500 bet on k-rag-rag in fear of a set. So now I'm cooled off and yea my pre-flop was poor - but I really wasn't complaining about my aces getting beat - I Was pointing out a NO-WIN situation with a-a and wondering if anyone has experienced this and known what I meant.