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[dpianomn]

here's the deal:i was playing limit hold 'em at a ten handed table when i was dealt 6 6 in the small blind. the betting was raised directly after me, and i called...along with 6 others. the flop came downQ 9 7i checked, and the player to my left bet. everyone called up to the cutoff who raised it and the button called. at this point i knew i was definitely beat, if i called 2 bets, it could easily become 3 or 4 bets as we hadn't even reached the original raiser yet.furthermore, i figured that even if i turned a 6, it could easily make someone's straight and i'd be screwed. logical choice at that point was to fold.Q 9 7 6 7 ...damn, missed out on a boat.the winning hand ended up being two pairs Q's and 9's.i would just like to hear some oppinions on what whether you think i did the right thing, and if not, what you might have done given the situation. i might also mention that the two people leading the betting (original raiser and reraiser) were both fairly tight. hindsight is 20/20 and i know now that i folded the best hand, but i think that overall my decision was sound given that i'll only hit cards like that every once in a blue moon. thanks!dave.

[Jubba]

at the time you folded you were beat. You can't account for a boat coming like that. With all those raises you couldn't have called in the position you were in. Normally with a small pocket pair I'm looking to set up on the flop, or I'm out of the hand if someone makes a play at me, especially if the board comes all overs or 2 (or 3) to a straight or flush (that I don't have a piece of).

[JFarrell20]

Absolutely. Good play. That guy had you bet on the flop w/ Q's and 9's.... don't even pay attention to what fell on the turn and river. You made the right play. 1 in 10 times it will backfire, but you made the right play at the right time. DONT LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY AFTER YOU FOLD! lol. It just doesn't matter.

[wrto4556]

With those medium pairs (i.e. 99 or lower), I tend to follow the "no set, no bet" rule. You played it great, althought I think you said that you called a raise from the small blind with 66...if you called a raise, that's bad. I don't like to call a raise from the small blind unless I have a premium hand...I don't re-raise AKs in the small blind. But this is beside the point.Q 9 7Do the math, you only have 2 outs in the deck to beat anyone with a Q. Both of your outs could make someone a straight. Easy, easy fold.

[dpianomn]

awesome, thanks guys. i was just a bit overwhelmed by the pot i *could* have won had i played poorly :wink: and wrto, as far as the starting hands go...of course it's a matter of taste and personal style, but in a limit game (mind you i don't play high stakes), i'm generally willing to call a raise, especially if i'm already invested to try to flop a set. this would have been extra lucrative in this instance with 7 people in the pot. nonetheless, point taken, because almost everything's difficult to play UTG. thanks for the posts everyone! dave.

[The Sheriff JBJ]

I love / hate mid value pocket pairs as it is the hand I seem to lose the most money on them especially on a full table.If you go all in, theres the almost 50/50 v 2 high over cards and the more players the odds are against you.Like many previous posters I agree with seeing the flop to pick up 3 of a kind. You did the right thing to fold when you did. You can only play what you see and the odds for and against.I said at the start I love / hate the hand because I often think about it too much and im betting against myself rather than my opponents.A small / medium raise can also be suggested as it will get rid of some of the hands that may fall from the flop on small blinds that people whil call for callings sake on the hope they his something.

[qheuie]

yousuckedoutonme said:

let me start off by saying that pocket 6s are my favorite hand.    anyway, yeah thats a good question. if there really was that many people in the pot who were in the pot [8?] if you called 10 it seemed like you were getting good odds even though you were trying to hit a 2 outer, but it was  a good decision, given that it could have been raised again and capped, and you would have been 20 bucks in on a 2 outer, when someone could have easily hit a higher set, or hit their draw on 4th or 5th. i think you made a great laydown, but i know its really tough to see that you could have hit the full house, runner runner.

let me start off by saying that pocket 6's are my devil. i either never flop the set or when i do i am up against a higher set. and i still keep playing this game :)i think you made a great fold post flop. a lot, i mean A LOT, of players have a hard time throwing down pocket pairs, even though they KNOW they are beat.similarly, i have folded hands like 10 J preflop and watched J J 10 come on the flop and had the "if i had only called the raise" thought.. then i think about all the times i have had 10 J and hit nothing on the flop and i feel better :)q

[pkarcher]

good fold.I agree with wrto. I get rid of little pairs unless I flop a set. You've got about a 1 in 9 shot to flop a set, but only 1 in 23 to hit it on the turn. At those odds its hard to call any bet even when you figure that you'll get some additional money when people call you down all the way. With small pairs you want late position and lots of people in preflop. If you hit you set on the flop, awesome, you should be able to pull in a big pot. If you don't flop a set, just fold it away. If you consistently call bets trying to get a set on the turn or river, those small pairs will cost you a bundle in the long run.

[Smasharoo]

You played it fine. You completed in the small blind, called one back to you PF and folded whne you didn't hit the flop because the pot wasn't laying you 20 to 1.Can't play it any other way. If you call the two cold on the flop, you're losing money.

[theben]

it should be an instant fold. you had 2 outs for your hand and you certainly didnt have odds to call. not only that, but if a 6 did land, that board would be: Q 9 7 6. and if theres many players calling on the flop, a T8 is quite possible out which would mean you wont even have a winning hand if you make a set.