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[AcesOnFire]

So is it a good idea ever? Acceptable even? Talking NL hold 'em here but it doesn't hurt to mention other games.

[mrdannyg]

I assume you mean open-limp.In NL the answer is yes. Implied odds are your friend.In limit the answer is extremely rare. If you never do it, you probably aren't making any big mistakes (except at micro-limits). If you are playing at a very passive table, many hands that you would limp behind can be open-limped, but keep in mind how much being out of position with a drawing hand hurts your implied odds and EV.Normally I would say "probably not" for limit, but I did it today (for the first time in 20K hands). Table was very very passive, I had a low pocket pair. That's about it, though good suited connectors may be open-limped under optimal conditions.Most people do it too much though. Unless you have a good understanding of why this particular situation is good for it, just never do it.

[Actuary]

Danny,that's ridiculous to say open limping is rarely the correct play in Limit.maybe at higher stakes or SH, but not full table lower limits. - unless very tight

[Zach6668]

Actuary, on Saturday, July 8th, 2006, 3:22 PM, said:

Danny,that's ridiculous to say open limping is rarely the correct play in Limit.maybe at higher stakes or SH, but not full table lower limits. - unless very tight

Danny, stop playing at Absolute...

[dimseven]

Open limping is a fairweather friend.

[mrdannyg]

Actuary, on Saturday, July 8th, 2006, 2:22 PM, said:

Danny,that's ridiculous to say open limping is rarely the correct play in Limit.maybe at higher stakes or SH, but not full table lower limits. - unless very tight

Zach6668, on Sunday, July 9th, 2006, 12:27 AM, said:

Danny, stop playing at Absolute...

you are both correct.i have played some LHE recently on some other sites, including Stars, Party, etc and I'll refine my statements to say that you should very carefully consider open-limping because most people do it too much.if the table is passive though for instance, it is often a mistake not to open-limp small pairs. but i do think non-paired hands ar eoften mistakes to open-limp. too many people open-limp with a hand like TJs when they could either fold from early position or raise from mid to late.i'll summarize:unless your table is very passive, carefully consider whether open-limping is the best of the three available options.

[checkymcfold]

mrdannyg, on Monday, July 10th, 2006, 12:35 AM, said:

you are both correct.i have played some LHE recently on some other sites, including Stars, Party, etc and I'll refine my statements to say that you should very carefully consider open-limping because most people do it too much.if the table is passive though for instance, it is often a mistake not to open-limp small pairs. but i do think non-paired hands ar eoften mistakes to open-limp. too many people open-limp with a hand like TJs when they could either fold from early position or raise from mid to late.i'll summarize:unless your table is very passive, carefully consider whether open-limping is the best of the three available options.

generally speaking, if you're not at a table where open limping can be correct, you should probably switch tables.i was playing some 5/10 live last night, and limped 56s utg a couple times with complete confidence. if i hadn't switched tables earlier, i couldn't have done that.but yeah, your situations for when it's ok are good, but they're not very rare at most sites.

[mrdannyg]

checkymcfold, on Monday, July 10th, 2006, 12:25 AM, said:

generally speaking, if you're not at a table where open limping can be correct, you should probably switch tables.i was playing some 5/10 live last night, and limped 56s utg a couple times with complete confidence. if i hadn't switched tables earlier, i couldn't have done that.but yeah, your situations for when it's ok are good, but they're not very rare at most sites.

well as far as table selection is extremely important, you're obviously right.however in terms of open-limping with medium suited connectors for instance, i think to do that profitably requires the postflop skill of someone who probably doesn't have to ask this type of question.as i think i said earlier though, if you're table is very passive (and you should be looking for these tables) then you can open-limp pretty much any hand you would otherwise limp, adjusting slightly for position.note to self: stop playing at Absolute.