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[Bearw8]

Ok this is my first post in this forum. So If I dont explain or set this up correctly, forgive me.

Here is the hand...Please respond to my questions below the hand summary. Thanks, I look forward to your feedback.

Full Tilt's 10k Guarantee (about 120 of 554 are left)

Im 11th in chips with #1, #2, #13, and #15 in chips at my table (thanks FT!)

seat 1:bearw8(9,335) (Me) Small Blind
seat 2:Trappeddd(3,070) Big Blind
seat 3:LadyAcey(1,715)
seat 4:foxypham (8,292)
seat 5:TeriG (8,894)
seat 6:bad_egg (13,951)
seat 7:andyrenni(7,605)
seat 8:the weezer(1,680)
seat 9:IRONMAN1122(15,404) Dealer

Dealer: Hand #774799559
Dealer: bearw8 posts the small blind of 100
Dealer: Trappeddd posts the big blind of 200
Dealer: You have been dealt [6c 6h]
Dealer: LadyAcey folds
Dealer: foxypham raises to 500
Dealer: TeriG folds
Dealer: bad_egg calls 500
Dealer: andyrenni folds
Dealer: The Weezer folds
Dealer: IRONMAN1122 calls 500
Dealer: bearw8 calls 400
Dealer: Trappeddd calls 300
Dealer: The flop is [5h 3d 6s]
Dealer: bearw8 checks
Dealer: Trappeddd checks
Dealer: foxypham bets 1,200
Dealer: bad_egg raises to 2,400
Dealer: IRONMAN1122 folds
Dealer: bearw8 raises to 5,000
Dealer: Trappeddd folds
Dealer: foxypham folds
Dealer: bad_egg calls 2,600
Dealer: The turn is [8d]
Dealer: bearw8 bets 3,835, and is all in
Dealer: bad_egg calls 3,835
Dealer: bearw8 shows [6c 6h]
Dealer: bad_egg shows [7h 7d]
Dealer: The river is [4c]
Dealer: bearw8 shows three of a kind, Sixes
Dealer: bad_egg shows a straight, Eight high
Dealer: bad_egg wins the pot (21,370) with a straight, Eight
high
Dealer: bearw8 stands up


foxypham said he folded Aces.


I dont question calling the 400 raise in a 5 way with the two chipleaders in the hand.


For the 36 hands at this table, I won the two showdowns i was in, and folded to big bets. My table image is pretty tight. Thats why I didn't lead out on the flop...figured I'd have an almost guaranteed check raise opportunity with 5 in. When I got a bet an a raise, well on a rainbow flop, even with the staight draw, I am happy. I made it 5k..leaving me with less than 4k. I was hoping the re-raiser had JJ- AA or an unlikely smaller set. Well you see what happened so here are my questions:

Do I lead out on the flop?
Do I check raise all in instead of raising to 5k?

I am pretty confident I made the right moves here, but I really want others prespective.

Thanks Again.

[TheCinciKid]

I don't like the raise to 5k on the flop. After a raise and a re-raise I like going all-in here. You have top set, but your hand could be vulnerable. Plus after the raise and re-raise it's very likely that you could be getting paid off by a lower set or overpair. It doesn't really matter though b/c you didn't play it that badly and the donkey with 77 is probably gonna call you anyway. You got beat by runner runner, it happens in poker. Like I said though, raise more on the flop. You're basically min-riaisng here, which in general is a TERRIBLE play IMO.

[betablocker]

Well that's not fun. I guess he had 10 outs with one card to come, and figured let's go, he knew he f-ed up and the 8 definitely helped him call them all off. You really can't play this differently. You obviously know this, but I'm sure posting it here will help you channel the massive influx of negative emotions you're feeling.

btw, have any experience with turbo sit and gos? ::cough::

[Bearw8]

Well that's not fun. I guess he had 10 outs with one card to come, and figured let's go, he knew he f-ed up and the 8 definitely helped him call them all off. You really can't play this differently. You obviously know this, but I'm sure posting it here will help you channel the massive influx of negative emotions you're feeling.

btw, have any experience with turbo sit and gos? ::cough::

nice...yes... and if you have played one with me in the last week that was <$10 Im sure you have had a laugh. I was tryin a different approach...but it only worked twice so thats over.

As far as this hand goes...Im thinking I may have played it a little fast. If I lead out and let the Aces raise...I possibly eliminate the 77 and check call the Aces all in on the turn.

[clingfree]

With 5 players, I'm not a big fan of checking this flop. I think the idea is to thin the herd somewhat here. I'm probably pushing the flop here and hoping for a call from the AA-JJ hands. 77 most likely goes away there with the push, and if he doesn't, well, you really want that call most of the time.

With that said, I don't think you played it badly, poop sometimes happens in poker. GG, better luck next time.

[gobears]

Bad Beat Forum is down below.

You got all your chips in as the favorite and villain sucked out on you - you played it fine and that's poker.

In the future don't post results as you'll end up with results based or biased analysis. You get will much better comments that way

[mk]

i think bizzle's got something to add here.

[throwemaway]

C/R all in on the flop..Leaving yourself with 4 K is stupid

[Bizzle]

i think bizzle's got something to add here.

I wonder what that could be?

Oh yes, tourney strat rules.

[GrinderMJ]

Lead the flop, you will felt big pairs here 100% of the time, it makes this hand infinitely easier to play.

[blakheart]

Ok this is my first post in this forum. So If I dont explain or set this up correctly, forgive me.

Here is the hand...Please respond to my questions below the hand summary. Thanks, I look forward to your feedback.

Full Tilt's 10k Guarantee (about 120 of 554 are left)

Im 11th in chips with #1, #2, #13, and #15 in chips at my table (thanks FT!)

seat 1:bearw8(9,335) (Me) Small Blind
seat 2:Trappeddd(3,070) Big Blind
seat 3:LadyAcey(1,715)
seat 4:foxypham (8,292)
seat 5:TeriG (8,894)
seat 6:bad_egg (13,951)
seat 7:andyrenni(7,605)
seat 8:the weezer(1,680)
seat 9:IRONMAN1122(15,404) Dealer

Dealer: Hand #774799559
Dealer: bearw8 posts the small blind of 100
Dealer: Trappeddd posts the big blind of 200
Dealer: You have been dealt [6c 6h]
Dealer: LadyAcey folds
Dealer: foxypham raises to 500
Dealer: TeriG folds
Dealer: bad_egg calls 500
Dealer: andyrenni folds
Dealer: The Weezer folds
Dealer: IRONMAN1122 calls 500
Dealer: bearw8 calls 400
Dealer: Trappeddd calls 300
Dealer: The flop is [5h 3d 6s]
Dealer: bearw8 checks
Dealer: Trappeddd checks
Dealer: foxypham bets 1,200
Dealer: bad_egg raises to 2,400
Dealer: IRONMAN1122 folds
Dealer: bearw8 raises to 5,000
Dealer: Trappeddd folds
Dealer: foxypham folds
Dealer: bad_egg calls 2,600
Dealer: The turn is [8d]
Dealer: bearw8 bets 3,835, and is all in
Dealer: bad_egg calls 3,835
Dealer: bearw8 shows [6c 6h]
Dealer: bad_egg shows [7h 7d]
Dealer: The river is [4c]
Dealer: bearw8 shows three of a kind, Sixes
Dealer: bad_egg shows a straight, Eight high
Dealer: bad_egg wins the pot (21,370) with a straight, Eight
high
Dealer: bearw8 stands up
foxypham said he folded Aces.
I dont question calling the 400 raise in a 5 way with the two chipleaders in the hand.
For the 36 hands at this table, I won the two showdowns i was in, and folded to big bets. My table image is pretty tight. Thats why I didn't lead out on the flop...figured I'd have an almost guaranteed check raise opportunity with 5 in. When I got a bet an a raise, well on a rainbow flop, even with the staight draw, I am happy. I made it 5k..leaving me with less than 4k. I was hoping the re-raiser had JJ- AA or an unlikely smaller set. Well you see what happened so here are my questions:

Do I lead out on the flop?
Do I check raise all in instead of raising to 5k?

I am pretty confident I made the right moves here, but I really want others prespective.

Thanks Again.

Didn't read replies- a couple of thoughts. First don't post results, it colors the results you get. PReflop- I lke calling with smal or medium pairs. On the flop- I would bet out here- check raising got you a larger pot, but it was plenty big already. When you get a bet and a raise comeing back to you, $5000 is too small. These people think they have the best hand. You need to push here.

What you are hoping they have is what they do have (since you posted results) which is overpairs. Make them pay to play. You are in the lead now, and they can not get away from their hands.

Bad luck really, but a big reraise on the flop may have got the guy with the 7's to lay down. By the turn he picked up the staight draw and was probably committed to the hand.

Different subject- I love having the chip leader at my table in the mid stages of a tournament. On low buyin tournaments often times the big chip stacks are guys who have overplayed marginal hands and had them stand up. They tend to play too many pots, and are my target to get chips. It is much easier to get chips out of a big stack then a bunch of small or medium stacks. Plus the potential chips you can get out of chip heavy table is far greater then out of a skinny chip table.