Is My Thinking Right On This Hand?

[cdipierr 0]

Cash NL game. It's small stakes, but I'm curious as to the thoughts at any limit.I've been playing maybe an hour, no real cards, no real profit. Have the buyin plus maybe 10%. The two villians in this hand are fairly new to the table, both have bought in for less than 50% of the buyin, less than 10 hands ago. Both have bled off a few chips, but don't seem reckless. Bottom line is they both have about 1/3 of my stack.I have QQ in the cutoff.UTG (villian 1) raises 4x blind, UTG+2 reraises double that. I raise another 3x the current bet. Folded to UTG who goes all in. UTG+2 calls (almost all in). I realize I could be up against KK or AA, but thinking it could be AK on one or both, and perhaps JJ on the other, and (here's the important part) that it's only 1/3 of my stack even if there is a KK/AA out there, I raise enough to put the UTG+2 guy all in. He of course calls.Results don't really matter. Just curious if this seems like the right play?

[Scott3705 0]

hero $110V1 40V2 41.5/1V1 raises to 4, V2 reraises to 8, Hero reraises to 24. V1 reraises to 40, V2 calls, Pot 104 w/ 16 to call. that's not a fold but this is probably not the actual situation.

[FOOSE1 0]

To me you kind of played that QQ too strong given a raise and then a re-raise in front of you. If you felt you were facing KK or AA (or both) at worst you should have just called to see the flop. A re-re-raise was probably not the best play IMO. Then the fold after so much was comitted was probably not that good either. GOOD LUCK!

[cdipierr 0]

To me you kind of played that QQ too strong given a raise and then a re-raise in front of you. If you felt you were facing KK or AA (or both) at worst you should have just called to see the flop. A re-re-raise was probably not the best play IMO. Then the fold after so much was comitted was probably not that good either. GOOD LUCK!

But a call seems odd here because it doesn't close the action anyway. V1 is still facing V2's raise, so if I'm going to call V2's raise, I might as well define where V1 is, no? Why let him in cheap with something he decided to goof around with?And I didn't fold after so much was committed. I made the (admittedly reluctant) call.And Scott, I just relooked up the HH, so here's the exact #s (converted to .5/$1 blinds):V1 (UTG /w $38 stack) raises to $4V2 (UTG+2 /w $43 stack) raises to $7Hero (CO /w $130 stack) raises to $16V1 raises to $34 (yeah I know, what's that about?)V2 raises all-in to $43Hero calls from CO ($93 in the pot, $27 to call)V1 calls his last $4-- I know I had those last few actions confused in the initial post, but it's about the same.

[Scott3705 0]

I don't know... Iguess 3:1 is a good spot to be in...I would expect you to be behind a little bit more than that tho.

[Naismith 0]

I don't know... Iguess 3:1 is a good spot to be in...I would expect you to be behind a little bit more than that tho.

Really? Just a little more? It seems to me that you're almost always behind here. Once the re-re-raise preflop, you were stuck playing this out. I probably would've called the re-raise and then folded after the initial raiser bumped it and he pushed.Of course, last time I was in this situation, they both flipped over AK and split a huge pot with some of my money in it while my beautiful queens laid face down in the pile of discarded cards.

[Scott3705 0]

Really? Just a little more? It seems to me that you're almost always behind here. Once the re-re-raise preflop, you were stuck playing this out. I probably would've called the re-raise and then folded after the initial raiser bumped it and he pushed.Of course, last time I was in this situation, they both flipped over AK and split a huge pot with some of my money in it while my beautiful queens laid face down in the pile of discarded cards.

I didn't want anyone to call me a nit . It's probably more, but what do we know... we weren't at the table... maybe they're half retarded.

[Naismith 0]

I didn't want anyone to call me a nit . It's probably more, but what do we know... we weren't at the table... maybe they're half retarded.

NIT!I was using my "generic read on everyone" read. :)I'm willing to lay down queens against a raise and a re-raise and a re-re-raise and a call. But that's because I would've called the initial re-raise instead of bumping it up again.For the record, I also did that at the Bike in LA, only it was after a limp, raise, my re-raise, all in from the limper, all in from the raiser. They turned over 9c10c and 7-7.The lesson as always...I make bad decisions.

[FOOSE1 0]

But a call seems odd here because it doesn't close the action anyway. V1 is still facing V2's raise, so if I'm going to call V2's raise, I might as well define where V1 is, no? Why let him in cheap with something he decided to goof around with?And I didn't fold after so much was committed. I made the (admittedly reluctant) call.

To me a call will accomplish the same thing without committing you to the pot when faced with a raise and a re-raise. V1 raises . . . could be anything. V2 re-raises showing some strength. You re-re-raised with QQ. Being short stacked V1 and V2 basically only have two options, fold or all-in. If they are weak then they fold. If they are strong (or on a steal) they go all-in. So you are either way behind or looking at a coin flip best case all-in pre-flop. You've invested $43 in the pot pre-flop. Now if you just called V2's $8 bet then you can find out the same information for only $8. If V1 goes all-in with a call from V2 you can bet your beat and fold pre-flop for only the $8 invested. If V1 just calls, then you can bet he is on AK or AQ looking to hit on the flop and you only now have to worry about what V2 has. Either way you have more information pre-flop than what you have now with less invested. Your re-raise forced both your (short stacked) opponents all-in without any real knowledge of what they had. Against a normal stack a re-re-raise may have been OK to find out info. But not in this instance.

[cdipierr 0]

Now if you just called V2's $8 bet then you can find out the same information for only $8. If V1 goes all-in with a call from V2 you can bet your beat and fold pre-flop for only the $8 invested. If V1 just calls, then you can bet he is on AK or AQ looking to hit on the flop and you only now have to worry about what V2 has. Either way you have more information pre-flop than what you have now with less invested. Your re-raise forced both your (short stacked) opponents all-in without any real knowledge of what they had. Against a normal stack a re-re-raise may have been OK to find out info. But not in this instance.

Ok, I can buy that reasoning upon thinking about it. Live and learn I guess.In case anyone cares:V1 -- KKV2 -- AKQ on the flop (which held), which was nice, but I was really just thinking more about next time.

[iggymcfly 0]

Online, I'd smooth call the reraise, and be very nervous about the possibility of AA or KK, and thinking about the possibility of laying my hand down even without overcards.Live, I'd push over both raises in a heartbeat, and give off as many good "strong when weak" tells as I could without arousing suspicion, hoping that A6 or 77 wouldn't be able to lay down.