Actuary 3 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 true or false..say since around Sep 2005.if true, those that adjusted, what do you think the Sklankites need to work on ?thanks.ps.. and don't say: "Play SH" or "Play NL" ... stick to Full LHE. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Bah! I was gonna say "play SH", now I have no insight.Good bye. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Maybe. It have something to do with all the college students that are off for summer and would rather play poker than get a job. Personally, I find the 10/20 to 20/40 games pretty soft right now (compared to around April). Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 3, 2006 Author Share Posted July 3, 2006 I can't have a winning session anymore.but maybe 10 hands shouldn't count.it seems tighter and better than I recalled.and by better I mean a worse game to sit in. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 i strongly agree, actuary. there was a period in like jan-feb where i thought that suddenly everyone was having a pro watching over their shoulder, and TAG didn't work anymore at 10/20+. as for lower limits, i think you're KINDA right, but not to the point where TAG doesn't work anymore. now that i'm back at 3/6, i'm TAGing full ring on party and it's working just fine, but of course i'm throwing in blind steals, etc.the biggest thing i had to start doing in the tougher games was raising marginal hands in position (sometimes down to T9o) against anyone who was kinda weak postflop to get more than my share of their money. try that, maybe? Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Lower limit games are tight as hell. There're a million mediocre players out there who take this **** seriously and put in a real effort to make money at .50/1. There are a lot of micros out there that are tighter than 10/20 games that i watch. Doesnt necessarily mean that theyre GOOD. Link to post Share on other sites
GodOfEntropy 0 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Has anybody went to the darkside and started experimenting with LAGing it up? Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Define lag. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Lower limit games are tight as hell. There're a million mediocre players out there who take this **** seriously and put in a real effort to make money at .50/1. There are a lot of micros out there that are tighter than 10/20 games that i watch. Doesnt necessarily mean that theyre GOOD.YES. These are my feelings exactly. I remember when I went from 2/4 to 3/6 that I felt the games were impossible to beat for a decent rate cuz everyone had taggish stats. But most of them are weak and very trusting. Now I notice when I move up, everyone has fishy pf stats, but play a lot trickier postflop.Throw in more river raises with weak made hands that you will call with anyway (as well as busted draws some times), try to steal more, and throw in a few flop c/r's with boards that are unlikely to have hit your opponent and these games will become much easier. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 i will not play limit holdem anymore. tight players plus high rake equals a game that is not very good. notice how people used to say yea you can do 3bb/100 if you play good. this seems to have been downgraded recently to you can do 2bb/100 if you play very good. sure its still beatable, but you can make a lot more playing other games. the players still suck though they are just tight. if they all played 5/10 like this and didnt play any better i would play them until i fell over from exhasution. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 there is a player at my 3/6 table right now who is 10/4 (VPIP/PFR) over 2K hands. Link to post Share on other sites
telefonlur 0 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Well, the new fishes are the weak tighties that are'nt as profitable as the loose passive ones. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 i will not play limit holdem anymore. tight players plus high rake equals a game that is not very good. notice how people used to say yea you can do 3bb/100 if you play good. this seems to have been downgraded recently to you can do 2bb/100 if you play very good. sure its still beatable, but you can make a lot more playing other games.3BB/100 isnt impossible. The fact that 2BB/100 is more commonly cited might be because people are being more realistic. And rake shouldnt be an issue if you have a good rakeback plan coupled with reload bonuses.there is a player at my 3/6 table right now who is 10/4 (VPIP/PFR) over 2K hands.Alphachic? Msnake? Puffmethepot? I need a name! Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 3BB/100 isnt impossible. The fact that 2BB/100 is more commonly cited might be because people are being more realistic. And rake shouldnt be an issue if you have a good rakeback plan coupled with reload bonuses.Alphachic? Msnake? Puffmethepot? I need a name!well its not MSNAKE and you guessed right sooohere's a hint:I opened a pot in EP with JJ, got reraised, this person cold-called, then the 15/4/1/300 small blind capped it, then led at a 2KK flop. I have never had such an easy fold of JJ. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 well its not MSNAKE and you guessed right sooohere's a hint:I opened a pot in EP with JJ, got reraised, this person cold-called, then the 15/4/1/300 small blind capped it, then led at a 2KK flop. I have never had such an easy fold of JJ.i win.yesterday, i was playing with a guy who was around 40/ZERO/1.5 over about 800 hands. earlier he had open limped QQ in mp1.QQ in mp3, dude raises UTG, i fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 i win.yesterday, i was playing with a guy who was around 40/ZERO/1.5 over about 800 hands. earlier he had open limped QQ in mp1.QQ in mp3, dude raises UTG, i fold.It was a long orchastrated bluff you fool! Link to post Share on other sites
aim786 0 Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/current/jockusch0706.htmlThat's an interesting article that somewhat relates to this situation. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 4, 2006 Author Share Posted July 4, 2006 http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/current/jockusch0706.htmlThat's an interesting article that somewhat relates to this situation.good stuff Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 i win.yesterday, i was playing with a guy who was around 40/ZERO/1.5 over about 800 hands. earlier he had open limped QQ in mp1.QQ in mp3, dude raises UTG, i fold.i'm disturbingly curious as to what he had. did you check his history to see if he had AA in those 800 hands (at a showdown i guess)? He probably had 87s or something and was "mixing it up." either way, pretty funny. Link to post Share on other sites
checkymcfold 0 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 i'm disturbingly curious as to what he had. did you check his history to see if he had AA in those 800 hands (at a showdown i guess)? He probably had 87s or something and was "mixing it up." either way, pretty funny.lol, no. he had AA, some poor sod had AK, hit a K, and called him down.i, however, sucked myself off in congratulatory fashion. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Must be alphachic, come to think of it...Puffmethepot probably doesnt play enough for you to have that many hands on him.What a tight wad. They cant possibly be winning. They probably think that they're brilliant players too... and it must eat them up inside to see such terrible results at the end of each week. They probably break even with rakeback and bonus, but it could be close. Link to post Share on other sites
bascomeb 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 http://www.twoplustwo.com/magazine/current/jockusch0706.htmlThat's an interesting article that somewhat relates to this situation.i want to get into a tight table now and just raise 72 off utg for +EV Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Must be alphachic, come to think of it...Puffmethepot probably doesnt play enough for you to have that many hands on him.What a tight wad. They cant possibly be winning. They probably think that they're brilliant players too... and it must eat them up inside to see such terrible results at the end of each week. They probably break even with rakeback and bonus, but it could be close.There's one around now, IVO-something that is 8.5/4 after a couple thousand hands. I really don't think you can win at 8.5.But you're right, they think they're great. I had a conversation with one regular who says he's been playing for 3 years, has over 1.5 million hands and is currently on a 50K hand downswing. His stats re 13/6/2. I don't understand how you can play for 3 years and now be able to play more than 13% of hands profitably. Or in his case, break-evenly. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 This question is pretty easy. The vast, vast majority of newer players online are NL players. Those who started on Limit for recreation moved to NL, and those looking to make money at LHE play like Sklansky robots.I have noticed, over the past 6 months or so, an improvement in the # showing up to play lower-limit Omaha, Stud and split games, especially on the medium-sized sites. 2/4, 3/6 Omaha 8/b and Stud Hi/Lo are super-soft right now. Link to post Share on other sites
roadhawg 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 i know this is going to sound really dumb but what are all those numbers you guys are listing (ex. His stats re 13/6/2)? Link to post Share on other sites
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