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#41 iggymcfly

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Posted 03 July 2006 - 08:34 PM

You don't have to mix it up, but it's certainly more fun and effective in the long run. It depends on the table though. Sometimes, you'll just get so many free pots coming your way you can't believe that they're folding again, and sometimes, you'll get someone who calls your $300 all-in with bottom pair. It just depends on the table.
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 09:24 PM

View PostAbbaddabba, on Monday, July 3rd, 2006, 7:04 PM, said:

I want to start winning at 3/6 again also.I play 2/4 and 3/6 evenly at absolute (2 of each when available), and the player base is almost identical. After roughly 7k hands at 2/4, im about 5BB/100.After roughly 7k hands at 3/6, im almost exactly break even.Probably the best and worst streak ive had over that many hands happening concurrently.
i think the 2/4 and 3/6 games are much different. a lot of tightish 3/6 players loosen up down there and a lot of 1/2 players are scared.I'm currently in a nasty downswing at both, but my 2/4 win rate is still nearly 5 (only 3K hands though), while 3/6 has dropped down to 1 over 10K hands or so. I really haven't been playing well lately, but I definitely think 2/4 is beatable at a higher rate than 3/6.then again, my VPIP at 3/6 is nearly 4% higher than at 2/4, so my experience is not that useful.
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Posted 03 July 2006 - 11:57 PM

View PostPoppinFresh, on Monday, July 3rd, 2006, 3:25 AM, said:

Goals, eh?I want to stop being so lazy...I'm playing fulltime for the summer, 50K hands for the month should not be a problem and yet it will almost certainly be a huge struggle.NLHE: Keep doing well and learning, have the BR/skills to start taking shots at 10/20 at the end of the month, maybe even move up for goodLHE: Start playing regularly again and re-dedicate myself to getting good at this game, start playing some 30/60 so I can prep myself for eventual shots at the high limitsOther: Spend a little time on other games, start playing live once I turn 21
Laugh out loud.Do you ever stop and think about students in a similar situation as you working part time 20 hours a week pumping gas to earn what you make (on average) in about 15 minutes? And damn - 50k hands a month is a LOT of poker.

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You've never had a 7k hand downswing?
I remember having a couple of stretches similar to this one last time i looked at my pokerpattern graph. But not TOO much more than 7k hands.

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i think the 2/4 and 3/6 games are much different. a lot of tightish 3/6 players loosen up down there and a lot of 1/2 players are scared.I'm currently in a nasty downswing at both, but my 2/4 win rate is still nearly 5 (only 3K hands though), while 3/6 has dropped down to 1 over 10K hands or so. I really haven't been playing well lately, but I definitely think 2/4 is beatable at a higher rate than 3/6.then again, my VPIP at 3/6 is nearly 4% higher than at 2/4, so my experience is not that useful.
I notice a big difference between 2/4 SH and 3/6 SH, but not so much between full ring of each.Im about 1.4BB/100 over 25k hands at 3/6 total on absolute, and 4.8BB100 over 15k hands at 2/4 on absolute. That includes short handed and full ring.But when i filter out 6max, my full ring stats for 3/6 are about 2BB/100 and 2/4 is about 3BB/100.In other words, ive been doing really ***-tacular at 3/6 short handed. But i dont have nearly enough hands for any of this to be meaningful.

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 02:24 PM

When I used to play 2/4 and 3/6 (both 6 max) regularly, I found that the 3/6 games played a lot tougher. I averaged about 4 BB/100 at 2/4 and about 1 BB/100 at 3/6 over about 5 or 10 thousand hands of each.
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 02:53 PM

At party the player base is much different (i find) between stakes because people can choose whatever game they want. 3/6 was much tougher than 2/4 (despite that, i did better at 3/6 over a limited number of hands).On absolute, people tend to play whatever is available for full ring because of how few games are running.

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 08:02 PM

didnt post my goal for the month but its to make $1k this month...so far im up about 100 for the month. Biggest problem for me is i dont all that much time to play with work and what not so I dont play enough hands which makes it tight on reachin teh goalIm beatin the game enough that I should wanna play more but i just havent lately
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Posted 04 July 2006 - 10:39 PM

lol. I started my July off swimmingly with a -5 buy in night.tonight I won 3 back, finall hit a gutshot + fd for an entire buy in, finally got a cold deck that was on my side...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmi'll probably still be leaving for Panama stuck on the month, but hopefully I'll get in play there..if not.....who cares, it's a vacation!lolgl- Jordan

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Posted 04 July 2006 - 11:50 PM

Dude, I swear to God when I get my chat back in a month on Pokerstars I'm going to swear the fuck out of that place and get it banned for as long as possible.Since Pokerstars banned my chat 2 nights ago I have made 3 final tables: 3rd place in a PLO about 2 hours after it got banned, then 9th place last night in the $5 rebuy, then 3rd place just now in the $3 rebuy. Also just busted 28th in the $10 rebuy. Total profit about $2800 (including losses).Twice Pokerstars has had to reinstate my chat so I could discuss a chop (we didn't chop either time). Fuck those motherfuckers, ban that shit forever. TIM WAKEFIELD HAS A GOOD WEEK!!!!!! Take a picture so we can all remember it.edit: currently near the top of the Stars weekly and monthly tournament leader boards. :club: New goal = win a free $1,000 heads-up match with Tom McEvoy :D :D
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 07:18 AM

Well, good news, everyone...I final tabled a good-size MTT last night (50+5 25kG on Bodog). Came close to pulling first, but I wasn't disappointed with second considering I was down to one small blind with 18 people left (got crippled with AK vs AT and then doubled up a few times). Scored about $3.8k...which is almost double my biggest tournament score to date.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 08:29 AM

View PostCobaltBlue, on Thursday, July 6th, 2006, 10:18 AM, said:

Well, good news, everyone...I final tabled a good-size MTT last night (50+5 25kG on Bodog). Came close to pulling first, but I wasn't disappointed with second considering I was down to one small blind with 18 people left (got crippled with AK vs AT and then doubled up a few times). Scored about $3.8k...which is almost double my biggest tournament score to date.
nice job man - hope you got out and had a good drunken night.i actually had a good day yesterday - got in 2500 hands of pretty decent play, won at all 3 sites, and still got out in time for drinks with friends. i'm hoping to be able to get in close to 2K hands a day even if i'm going out in the evening, but i'm usually too lazy. will probably only get 6-7K hands in before the 10th or so this month, so slow start.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:48 AM

My goals for July:Sitting on 1,150 BR now Going to be on vacation for 10 days so that leaves about 2 weeks.I'd like to see the upperside of 1500 playing O8 cash games / tournies... I am still learning this game (I have a LOT to learn) but am still making a killing...and I think I actually ran bad last month.I'm really going to concentrate on playing O8 at a top-level by next year and make a run at it in the WSOP.I'll play some NLHE SNGs and MTTs to mix it up, but its mostly O8 for me.I've been playing mostly PLO8 and NLO8, so I need to work on my LO8 game in the future. If I don't get to that this month, I will make a hard push at it next month.I am going to stick to 25/50/100 NLO8 and PLO8 tables...only sitting at 25/100 if the games look nice and juicy.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 01:07 PM

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i actually had a good day yesterday - got in 2500 hands of pretty decent play, won at all 3 sites, and still got out in time for drinks with friends. i'm hoping to be able to get in close to 2K hands a day even if i'm going out in the evening, but i'm usually too lazy. will probably only get 6-7K hands in before the 10th or so this month, so slow start.
I... crush you. I already have 7k hands under my belt for the month, and ill probably get it to about 10k by the 10th. Maybe more. :club:

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 05:13 PM

My goal is to be playing 10/20 and getting close to 15/30 by the end of the month.BTW, already +250ish BB this month, all in 5/10. And I have you both crushed. I've already played 20k hands haha. I'll be lucky to get in 1k more by the 10th though.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 06:07 PM

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Laugh out loud.Do you ever stop and think about students in a similar situation as you working part time 20 hours a week pumping gas to earn what you make (on average) in about 15 minutes? And damn - 50k hands a month is a LOT of poker.
Yeah, 50k hands is a ton. Depending on how many tables you play, thats like 75-100 hrs a month. I could never put that much in.BTW, I disagree with the whole thinking thats how much people so and so makes an hour line. For starters, online poker is a quickly depleting resource. These are the days to make your money. Poker bots, laws, poker skil increasing, and poker interest decreasing means there isnt to great a span to make $x/hr before you have to think about the real world (unless you play pro live). If that makes any sense.

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Posted 06 July 2006 - 07:04 PM

I don't think it's going to dry up that fast. There's a large player base of donks that plays regularly at casinos, and throws their money around, but doesn't quite feel comfortable playing cash games online yet. And there are small-stakes live games starting everywhere ow that are introducing more people to the game. I think as security and credibility of online casinos increases, it will be another 5 years before the industry peaks and 10 years before any real decline starts.If you're going to be a pro though, I agree that it's important to keep your live game skills sharp as well. Those are definitely more secure in the long run (in terms of the player base staying solid).
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 09:44 PM

View PostAbbaddabba, on Thursday, July 6th, 2006, 4:07 PM, said:

I... crush you. I already have 7k hands under my belt for the month, and ill probably get it to about 10k by the 10th. Maybe more. :club:
i've already got plans for friday and all day sunday and monday also. i've really hit cards at 3/6 my last few sessions though. short ones, but definitely a nice boost.damn i had something i wanted to tell you but now i forgot. shnat.meh i lied. just checked and i'm over 10K hands for the month so far, though only 4500 at absolute.

View Postscreech, on Thursday, July 6th, 2006, 9:07 PM, said:

Yeah, 50k hands is a ton. Depending on how many tables you play, thats like 75-100 hrs a month. I could never put that much in.BTW, I disagree with the whole thinking thats how much people so and so makes an hour line. For starters, online poker is a quickly depleting resource. These are the days to make your money. Poker bots, laws, poker skil increasing, and poker interest decreasing means there isnt to great a span to make $x/hr before you have to think about the real world (unless you play pro live). If that makes any sense.
personally, its important to know how much i average per hour online, since that might affect how i choose to spend my time. but i don't look at it like "i make $40 per hour, so i never need a job that pays less." There are a lot of reasons why it will be difficult to impossible to continue or increase our current hourly rates into the future, and increasingly difficult over a longer time span, at the very least in relation to playing stakes.for some of us, that is just because bonuses may dry up. but unless you're very skilled (which you don't need to be to be averaging upwards of $5-10 per table hour at low stakes), then you'll soon need to be playing extremely high stakes, unless online poker somehow continues in its current (or better) state for many years.
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:16 PM

July is going well...currently 8th on the PokerStars monthly Tournament Leaderboard :club:
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Posted 06 July 2006 - 11:53 PM

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Yeah, 50k hands is a ton. Depending on how many tables you play, thats like 75-100 hrs a month. I could never put that much in.BTW, I disagree with the whole thinking thats how much people so and so makes an hour line. For starters, online poker is a quickly depleting resource. These are the days to make your money. Poker bots, laws, poker skil increasing, and poker interest decreasing means there isnt to great a span to make $x/hr before you have to think about the real world (unless you play pro live). If that makes any sense.
I dont think that any of those are major threats, besides decreasing public interest. The US is the only country where there's any threat at all (as far as i know) of laws being passed to stop it and it's only in certain states (unless im mistaken). Even in the states where it can potentially be banned, some will still play. I cant imagine it putting a significant dent in the online player base.Skill increasing? I think that's already happened, and that it's basically hit a plateaux... though obviously i could be wrong.I think that there's basically an equilibrium of skill level for each stakes, since pro players will be driven away as games get tougher and be pulled back as games get softer. People who play for the money will not continue to play if they arent making money. They'll begin to play with less frequency, while the recreational players will play with roughly the same frequency since their decision to play is for entertainment and they (more or less) expect to lose.One thing that hasnt been mentioned on the optimstic side is that rake rates seem to be on the decline as sites are becoming more competitive. That's definitely a plus. Even if we're already receiving benefits, the fact that losing players will be receiving more of their money back to play with is definitely going to boost the amount that they play.

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Posted 07 July 2006 - 03:05 AM

View PostAbbaddabba, on Friday, July 7th, 2006, 12:53 AM, said:

I dont think that any of those are major threats, besides decreasing public interest. The US is the only country where there's any threat at all (as far as i know) of laws being passed to stop it and it's only in certain states (unless im mistaken). Even in the states where it can potentially be banned, some will still play. I cant imagine it putting a significant dent in the online player base.Skill increasing? I think that's already happened, and that it's basically hit a plateaux... though obviously i could be wrong.I think that there's basically an equilibrium of skill level for each stakes, since pro players will be driven away as games get tougher and be pulled back as games get softer. People who play for the money will not continue to play if they arent making money. They'll begin to play with less frequency, while the recreational players will play with roughly the same frequency since their decision to play is for entertainment and they (more or less) expect to lose.One thing that hasnt been mentioned on the optimstic side is that rake rates seem to be on the decline as sites are becoming more competitive. That's definitely a plus. Even if we're already receiving benefits, the fact that losing players will be receiving more of their money back to play with is definitely going to boost the amount that they play.
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Posted 07 July 2006 - 04:00 AM

View Postiggymcfly, on Sunday, July 2nd, 2006, 10:28 PM, said:

My goals are:1. Make at least $10,000 playing cash games and SnGs2. Get good at NLHE cash games again, to the point where I'm making a consistent profit, and keeping stupid mistakes to a minimum.3. Stop playing like a donkey when I play live to the point where I at least break even. (Last month was my first losing month playing live, but I've found that my discipline there's gone waaaaay down.)Uh yeah, that's about it. It would be nice to pop off another MTT, but I'm not going to be taking MTTs seriously enough to actually set goals for them. I could easily go through the whole month and only play 6 or 7.
Guess which one of these goals is going to be the most difficult and which I'm almost positive I'm not going to reach? That's right, #3. I played live 9 hours last night for a net of -$1000. I was trying to focus and play well, just for myself to reach the personal goal, but it looks like it's not going to happen. Even with live play included, I'm still up $3500 for the month though, so if things stay solid I shouldn't have too much trouble with #1. I'm at the point now where it's just agony to sit there and throw away hands in that type of game, and if I don't get anything for 2 or 3 rounds, I just snap. Anything that actually looks like it might be a legitimate bluffing or semi-bluffing oppotunity and my chips are just flying towards the pot.I was already cutting down on live play, but I think I'm going to cut even further down. Once every week or two sounds like plenty right now.
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