i personally find it comforting that if i choose to be a cgood person i choose that and it is not because i am doing it becasue it is my christain duty. i have myslef to let down. and myself to impress. and those that i care about. that has been enough work and reward for me. religion from a historical standpoint has always been mythology. these exact conversations have been had by the Romans, Greeks, and every other religion that has scratched the earth. Does Zeus exist? i believe religion to be a social construct which is a reflection on our society. do i believe in nothing, no. but do i believe in a cognizant being that punishes, rewards, and doles out miracles. No i just can't buy that. i prefer believing that you do what you do and get what you get based on how hard you work and some luck. alot like poker i guess. but there are too many good people who get screwed by life for there to be god and too many christain nuts killing people and censored other peoples wives and then being rascist, or completely screwing over anyone and everyone in the business world and then claiming to be upstanding christians when they go on a mission trip and help some people in a third world country.don't get me wrong i'm not gonna stand here and knock christians. i think most of them(you) are great people with big hearts who do the good things you do becasue you believe them and what they stand for. but i think christianity as a whole is a tool which has been shoved down society's throat to control us and to help us further gain power. For more evidence on this see the colonialism in Africa, it truly sickens my stomach. I mean who are we to tell other people what to believe. And further who the hell has the right to kill based on someones beliefs we believe to be inferior. again i'm not knocking the player. i'm knocking the game.
hehehe... I totally agree with your view with re: to the things that go on in this great Earth. Killings, murders, abortions etc. If there's a God, why the hell would 9/11 happen? Why did my cat die? etc etc etc. But then again, if you look deeper into these tragedies, is there a purpose for them? In my opinion, this world is so complex, i definitely do not even claim to have an answer. But my view is that this world is supposed to be hellish. In the bible, man was created in the image of man. What the heck does that mean? It means, if you can comprehend it or even visualize it remotely, that we're like God.. ?????? Our anger, our love, our hate even. And supposedly, we're put on this Earth to sort of prepare for heaven. Because supposedly, heaven is nothing like this. All the "bling bling" all the girls, all the cars, all the poker money all the girls, and all the girls, plus all the girls... (heheh) supposedly is NOTHING AT ALL compared to heaven. The company of God is supposedly INDESCRIBABLE in ecstacy. The true test is that how the heck do we know that? Right now, the bling bling and babes SEEM like the thing to accomplish. ON earth, yes. In heaven, it means diddly-squat.But back to tragedies and stuff. I think the destruction we see constantly is a reminder that in heaven, none of that sadness will exist. In fact, our entire existence (seems pesimistic, i know) is sadness UNTIL we meet our heavenly father. (sorry to upset you atheists)(My dialect is getting a bit preachy i know). I know this sounds perverted, but the sheer magnitude and the veil of ominous incomprehensible tragedy of 9/11 should be a blessing in disguise. A reminder that NONE OF THIS exists in heaven. I think everyone of us seriously no joke felt sick that day. I seriously think it affected me. I didn't really cry or anything. But at the year anniversery, all the feelings, (I know people that live near there, and I live near NYC myself), all the remorse, all the chaos, all of it flooded back and pounded me in the stomach and i literally released it, crying for like 10 minutes in my pillow. Why? 5,000+ died in the hands of 2 men. How can we do this kind of thing?One of the prayers that Catholics say, which in my opinion is so beautiful, and explains perfectly the chaos on earth quotes "To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve... to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this valley of tears... Turn then oh most gracious advocate thine eyes of mercy towards us, and after this our exile..." etc etc etc blah blah blah.. the point is, that this time on Earth is meant to be hellish and an exile of sorts and a testing. Tragedies toughen our soul. They also give us a chance to be charitable. Of course, the atheists will argue (and this argument, is in fact perfectly legitimate), that we don't need a God to show compassion. Perhaps. But back to my original statement, how do we know that created in the image of God, God is compassionate? And another thing re: CAtholic/Christians. You know, the gay molesting priest scandals. And the historical persecution and killing of non-Catholics. And the power abuse by the popes, supposedly in the Catholic religion, there word is "infallible" meaning that Catholics believe their word is handed down by God. What God would permit popes to do that/???It's tough for all religions nowadays. But the Christian/Catholic religion has persevered through the ages. I know in the Catholic Churches many people fear/hate/defile the Catholics. Gay marriages, abortions. Isn't God compassionate? Shouldn't he understand? *Shrug. God is also stern and strict too. He sets rules. He created us (supposedly). We are only "alive" b/c of him. BUt then again, (esp. in this time of year), Catholics are reaffirming the fact that he sent Jesus to save us. I won't go into that, but you know, he died and suffered to open a "passage" to heaven. The bible quotes somthing like "He [GOd] poured all his malice and anger into Jesus..." Jesus took all this crap for us. Yet, despite the anger, God still loves us b/c he wants us with him in heaven. Like us, he gets angry, and like us though, he feels regret. (Ex. Noah's ARk, etc.).You atheists, I totally agree with your legitimacy in not believing in a specific god. Your arguments totally make sense.I don't know what to say. I stated my beliefs. Please feel free to not follow them, because they are my opinion, and i know you respect that just as i respect your beliefs. Please, go on living your life as you did b4 my assinine post. Trust me, i abhor people who hand out bibles in like secular places. I HATE KOREANS b/c they're all christ this and christ that and then they're sleeping with like 32423423432432 people. The people that have most inspired me are the quiet ones that set the example. They will welcome you only if you want to be welcomed. The priests, religious educators, my mom. I think my mom inspires me the most. When she had breast cancer, she went through the toughest time. Before she was hardcore Catholic (in a quiet way), always going to mass, was a volunteer, very humble, very shy, yet in church, always singing, always welcomed lonely people from church over for dinner (which i felt uncomfortable with, but she saw something in them), etc. Then after her breast cancer, she went through torture. Chemo made her feel sick 24/7, her hair fell out, she was weak. She came to me and was like, Dave I hate God for doing this to me. Which sort of shocked me. I was going through my ins-and-outs with my faith too, so i took her to a priest. HE explained that these tests are meant to test us for the next life. This Earth is torturous and evil and hard and cruel. She also, by chance, where she worked, befriended a nun who, make no mistake about it, must have been sent by GOd or something. She got my mom through it with faith, and friendship itself. They send each other cards and visit each other now. My mom's faith is stronger than ever. Yet she doesnt' push it. For religious people, it's hard. I love porn, money, the fast life. Yet God says "NO" what?!??!?!??!?!?! come on!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!*shrug. Sometimes i don't practice, other times i fall and realize i want to get back up and go back to confession and church, etc. It feels good. Knowing that someone loves you. Kind of seeing God in all my friends and family too.I don't know. I'm not perfect by any minds. Shoot, i did tons of bad stuff. Hookers, stealing, fights, etc. So i'm definitely not a heaven poster child. But whenever i go back to church, and open my life to God again, my life feels complete. No joke. Then the world tempts me again and i fall.*shrug. I don't know what to say.But i do respect all your opinions, esp atheist boy (hahah i forgot your screename). ok peace out.