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[wsox8]

I haven't played NL hold em in a while.. So please help w/ this hand and how should I play middle range PPs. Thanks.
I put him on a higher PP.
Seat 1: smpunk33 ($27.35 in chips)
Seat 2: oneleftfoot ($19.65 in chips)
Seat 3: mrmutt15 ($25.60 in chips)
Seat 4: xXxDoytoxXx ($23.75 in chips)
Seat 5: derdobitlis ($17.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Leknife ($24.10 in chips)
Seat 7: lFeyr ($24.80 in chips)
Seat 8: goriders ($23.45 in chips)
Seat 9: rmoss007 ($15.40 in chips)
Seat 10: wsox28 [8S,8C] ($21.10 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
goriders posts blind ($0.15), rmoss007 posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
wsox28 calls $0.25, smpunk33 bets $1.50, oneleftfoot folds, mrmutt15 folds, xXxDoytoxXx folds, derdobitlis folds, Leknife folds, lFeyr folds, goriders folds, rmoss007 calls $1.25, wsox28 calls $1.25.

FLOP [board cards 6H,2C,5H ]
rmoss007 checks, wsox28 bets $2, smpunk33 bets $4.50, rmoss007 folds, wsox28 calls $2.50.

TURN [board cards 6H,2C,5H,7H ]
wsox28 checks, smpunk33 bets $21.35 and is all-in, wsox28 does......

[CobaltBlue]

Once you get to that point in the hand, I think you have to fold.

I like the limp/call UTG.

As for the approach on the flop, you need to know a bit about your opponent. Your $2 bet into ~$5 reeks of weakness, so certain opponents in position will re-raise you in that spot with missed overs (I would). Basically, with your play so far, you've telegraphed that you have some sort of middle pair (with a slight chance of a set). When your opponent makes such a small raise in this spot, he's usually doing it with a big overpair.

If you're going to bet the flop, put it more in the $3-4 range. We'll get a little more info from a bet in that range. We're hoping to take it down. If he raises that bet, we probably need to fold. If he calls, we need to figure out if he'd do that with overs/draws or if he's trapping.

Another approach would be to check the flop and check-raise. If you check-raise, you're putting a lot more pressure on an overcard hand, but you're risking more money...and you might be committed to the hand. I don't really like this option.

You could also check and call...and then see if he fires a second bullet on the turn.

It's also not ridiculous to check and fold against certain opponents. You're playing these middle pairs to hit sets...not to make small overpairs.

[offset]

Once you get to that point in the hand, I think you have to fold.

I like the limp/call UTG.

As for the approach on the flop, you need to know a bit about your opponent. Your $2 bet into ~$5 reeks of weakness, so certain opponents in position will re-raise you in that spot with missed overs (I would). Basically, with your play so far, you've telegraphed that you have some sort of middle pair (with a slight chance of a set). When your opponent makes such a small raise in this spot, he's usually doing it with a big overpair.

If you're going to bet the flop, put it more in the $3-4 range. We'll get a little more info from a bet in that range. We're hoping to take it down. If he raises that bet, we probably need to fold. If he calls, we need to figure out if he'd do that with overs/draws or if he's trapping.

Another approach would be to check the flop and check-raise. If you check-raise, you're putting a lot more pressure on an overcard hand, but you're risking more money...and you might be committed to the hand. I don't really like this option.

You could also check and call...and then see if he fires a second bullet on the turn.

It's also not ridiculous to check and fold against certain opponents. You're playing these middle pairs to hit sets...not to make small overpairs.

Solid advice.

[Scott3705]

You could also check/call the flop and lead the turn. Like cobalt said, very dependent on the player tho. some tables, this is a set or forget type hand. Regardless, bets have to be bigger. Atleast 3/4 here.

[DonkSlayer]

You need to pot the flop, not just to get away draws and lower pairs but to gain yourself information....if the villain reraises or calls a big flop bet, you have to devalue your holdings significantly.

Other than the above clarification of advice already posted, listen to Cobalt and Scott.

[subsin]

if im not mistaken, u have a OESD after the turn w all undercards, i think id call

[No_Neck]

looks like two pair or an overpair, I fold.

[nomad_monad]

if im not mistaken, u have a OESD after the turn w all undercards, i think id call

he does, but stacking off getting only 2-1 with only one card to come and the board already showing a flush that could reduce our outs to 6 instead of 8 if villain holds a redraw, assuming we're not already dead, doesn't seem like a good play to me.