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[Ice_W0lf]

Paradise Poker Game #1552766414 - Tournament Players Club $1,000 - 75/150 No Limit Texas Hold'em - 2006/06/25-13:20:03.5 (CST)
Table "PPC $1000 6" (MTT) -- Seat 10 is the button
Seat 1: A (1 050 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (4 710 in chips)
Seat 3: B (2 850 in chips)
Seat 4: C (6 019 in chips)
Seat 5: D (2 775 in chips)
Seat 6: Villian 1 (5 500 in chips)
Seat 7: E (860 in chips)
Seat 8: F (6 190 in chips)
Seat 9: G (9 782 in chips)
Seat 10: Villian 2 (4 141 in chips)
A: Post Small Blind (75)
Hero : Post Big Blind (150)
Dealing...
Dealt to Hero [Ad]
Dealt to Hero [Ac]
FOLD B
FOLD C
FOLD D
CALL Villian 1 150
FOLD E
FOLD F
FOLD G
CALL Villian 2 150
FOLD A
RAISE Hero 450
CALL Villian 1 , 450
CALL Villian 2, 450

Flop:
: [10c 9h 5d]
BET Hero , 2,000
RAISE Villian 1 , 4,900
Villian 2: Call All-in (3 541)
Hero : Call All-in (2 110)

Flame on....?




edit: sorry about the OP... it was my first time posting a HH... just like my first sexual encounter it was quick sloppy and done all wrong

[Actuary]

convert hand, make it easier to read.
don't post results

there's your help

repost and i'll opine
not that my opining matters

[BeaverStyle]

Mistakes i can see:

1. Not using a hand converter.

2. RAISE MORE PREFLOP. I'd probably have bumped it to at least 750, probably 800-900.

3. Repeat steps 1 and 2.


Oh, and what actuary said about posting results. Bias opinions result.

[iggymcfly]

Help me understand something a little bit, because I see aces played this way all the time. What's the thinking behind making a really small raise PF, trying to keep everyone in and then just overbetting the sh*t out of them on the flop? You want action so bad that you're not even thinning the field PF, and then you're so scared of action on the flop that you're making a bet that (against a good player) will only give you action when you're beat. I don't really understand the mindset here, so if you could explain it, I'd be much obliged.

[Ice_W0lf]

Help me understand something a little bit, because I see aces played this way all the time. What's the thinking behind making a really small raise PF, trying to keep everyone in and then just overbetting the sh*t out of them on the flop? You want action so bad that you're not even thinning the field PF, and then you're so scared of action on the flop that you're making a bet that (against a good player) will only give you action when you're beat. I don't really understand the mindset here, so if you could explain it, I'd be much obliged.

Basically.. the thinking behind it is that I'm still a donk ... which is why I decided to start posting hands on the board

[Davin]

Help me understand something a little bit, because I see aces played this way all the time. What's the thinking behind making a really small raise PF, trying to keep everyone in and then just overbetting the sh*t out of them on the flop? You want action so bad that you're not even thinning the field PF, and then you're so scared of action on the flop that you're making a bet that (against a good player) will only give you action when you're beat. I don't really understand the mindset here, so if you could explain it, I'd be much obliged.

3 to the flop w/ aces aint bad. i dont understand why people are so afraid of getting outflopped w/ aces that they feel the need to blow everyone else out of the pot. preflop was fine since everyone else had folded.

i'd bet less on the flop. you committed yourself with that 2k bet. if it were only 1200 or so, you could have gotten away from your hand. plus, in this one case, your opponent is going to make the same play regardless of a 1200 v. 2000 bet.

[iggymcfly]

I don't try to blow people out of the pot. I raise for value, and then bet for value on the flop. I'd probably raise to something like 600 or 750 PF and then bet 2/3 of the pot on the flop. It just seems like the same people who make suspiciously small raises PF are the same ones that just hammer the **** out of the pot postflop.

If the mentality is just that people tend to overplay their hands postflop more than preflop, I guess I can understand it though.

[tskillz187]

Pf raise is too small as the others have pointed out, I'm not bumping it as high as them, but I'd go to 600. This may make the hand play out much easier. For me I'm leading that flop for 2/3ish of the pot, if they both call I'm putting it to 1200, one caller I'm putting it to 800ish.

The problem with your flop bet is you committed yourself and you are almost always behind one of these two after the action. The board is not draw heavy but this is the range I could put them on, JQ, A10, 78, 7J suited maybe, might be a stretch, then other likely hands are 910, 1010, 99, 55. I don't see too many other hands played this way.

So If you raise more PF you are likely getting rid of JQ 910 78 and the decision would be much easier. Plus if you bet 2/3 pot on the turn and first villain goes all in, and second villain calls all in you can muck and move on with ok chips, around 2900ish.

If you do get heads up to the flop with a bigger PF raise then I don't see myself getting rid of the hand. If you get one caller and put the flop to 800 and he comes over the top there are a few hands you are beating and he might be on a flat out bluff, so I am calling here heads up.

Keep posting hands and thinking about the criticism and your results should improve.