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[CobaltBlue]

Bodog 2/4 NLHE (9-handed)

SB $200
BB $1149
Cobalt $381
MP3 $812

Cobalt is MP2 w/ Q Q . No read on SB. BB and MP3 are both somewhat loose pre-flop. They like to call raises with a fairly wide range. They're also capable of trickery.

Pre-flop:
3 folds, Cobalt raises to $12, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls

Flop ($48): K J 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Cobalt bets $28, 2 folds, BB raises to $65, Cobalt ?

[HurricaneKyle]

Raise or fold. I don't like calling.

[screech]

Raise or fold. I don't like calling.

Why not?

I like a push hear since you have good fold equity vs hands that are ahead of you, and you have a ton of outs to improve if you gte called. Also, he could be diong this with a hand like Ahx, which you would like him to fold.

[Scott3705]

This one's a fold for me given this board. I think you're best case scenario is the naked Ah, and there's a host of very bad scenarios for you.

Maybe you could call his mini-raise to see if he slows down, but w/ his stack, that may be asking a lot.

[XXEddie]

push

unless he has AhKx, youre not in terrible shape

[krup24]

Cobalt is MP2 w/ Q Q . No read on SB. BB and MP3 are both somewhat loose pre-flop. They like to call raises with a fairly wide range. They're also capable of trickery.

Well according to your statement above you can't fold. I believe ur hearts are good here.

BBs stack is massive and he could raising w/ any king with or without a heart. Put him to the test. Push.

[DaBruins]

push

unless he has AhKx, youre not in terrible shape

or he could have Ah10h and you would be drawing to runner runner full house.

Anyway, the pot is about 140 right and its 37 more to call. Meh.....all he has is KJ for top two pair, you got plenty of outs.

[subsin]

i would think this is a great flop for you, unless he has the Ah, you have flush draw, gut shot 10, and 2 queens left to help you(if ur behind), i dont think calling is bad but pushing would be better

[CobaltBlue]

How opposed would y'all be to re-raising to $150 or so?

[XXEddie]

or he could have Ah10h and you would be drawing to runner runner full house.

Anyway, the pot is about 140 right and its 37 more to call. Meh.....all he has is KJ for top two pair, you got plenty of outs.

i dont see villian rasing us here with the nuts

[Chief]

i dont see villian rasing us here with the nuts

if villain wants to play a big pot with Axhh he will find a raise easily on the flop--
i myself enjoy playing big pots with the nuts from time to time.

[Scott3705]

How opposed would y'all be to re-raising to $150 or so?

Depends on the player, but most of the time I think that would be bad. I assume you raise to 150 to fold to a raise. I honestly think that you given the action, you will find a push here regardless of whether you're ahead or behind the majority of the time.

[krup24]

How opposed would y'all be to re-raising to $150 or so?

I don't hate it, but I definitely like a push way more.

[bdc30]

How opposed would y'all be to re-raising to $150 or so?

Very.

Do we think we could fold to a re-reraise?
By that point too much of our money is in the pot already.
Pushing gets more fold equity.

[fckthis]

Very.

Do we think we could fold to a re-reraise?
By that point too much of our money is in the pot already.
Pushing gets more fold equity.

[DonkSlayer]

How opposed would y'all be to re-raising to $150 or so?

I like it, with maybe just a bit more on top. Here's why for everyone:

If the BB does not have a flush but has a made hand, he will check/call Cobalt down the rest of the way, allowing Cobalt to see the turn and river very cheap.

A naked A with no pair will almost always fold to a re-raise in the $170-$200 range.

Many of you are disregarding likely holdings for BB if he's not just making a play.
A made lower flush (we're dead to 7 hearts), Q10 (ditto), AhKx (dead to 1 out), 2 pair (dead to 2q's + 7 hearts, with 4 redraw outs for villain if we get there).

We're dead an awful lot for a push. We have 2nd pair and 2nd nut draw, disregarding the 10h. If we're almost even with 2 pair and a set, he would've raised us on the flop more.

[CobaltBlue]

You guys have keyed in on why a re-raise to $150 might be bad in this spot...I'll basically be committed to calling if he comes back over the top of that.

Anyway, I think I should've just pushed, but I did the re-raise and called off another $200 into a +$570 pot when he pushed. Villain flipped over Th8h and I lucked out by catching a heart on the turn. Villain was absolutely irate that I'd re-raise his check-raise.

[Scott3705]

You guys have keyed in on why a re-raise to $150 might be bad in this spot...I'll basically be committed to calling if he comes back over the top of that.

Anyway, I think I should've just pushed, but I did the re-raise and called off another $200 into a +$570 pot when he pushed. Villain flipped over Th8h and I lucked out by catching a heart on the turn. Villain was absolutely irate that I'd re-raise his check-raise.

not to be results based, but I think I was the only one to think this was a fold immediately.

[gooch]

not to be results based, but I think I was the only one to think this was a fold immediately.

sometimes I push, sometimes I fold, depends how I am feeling that day, with a stack like villans I would have pushed. Course Villan should be wondering if his 10 high kicker is good, though he did have the straight flush redraw and I can't fold those

[njtough]

I know we are analyzing Cobalt's play and everything but I think the real mistake was made by BB on the flop, thus giving Cobalt the chance to slightly misplay/luck his way out.

I don't mind the check on the flop to illicit a bet but the mini-raise is only going to bring in a Qh or Ah which is something that I would think the BB would not want. Of course he is sitting on a big stack and can probably afford to make that play, but that is just not the way I would have played it. Yes, the money was in ahead but he could have probably taken down a smaller pot by making a substantial raise on the flop. I don't think Cobalt plays back or even calls in that spot to a large enough raise and certainly not to call-in. As someone else mentioned, the hands Cobalt could beat were few, but the counter to that is also that the Th8h is a hand that is neither nutted nor has much room to improve.

PS - Cobalt, this is your new bud from Caesar's. - late night meal at the Flamingo (thanks again btw).