mkeller3086 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Bodog 25 nlStack sizesHero (17)Villain (25)Hero dealt A Q in the bbvillain raises utg to .90, mp calls, hero callspot (2.80) 3 playersflop: q 3 3 hero checks, villian bets 2.50, mp folds, hero callspot (8.40) two playersturn: 3 hero checks, villain bets all in 21.00, hero...i don't have any great reads on the villain. i just know that he wouldn't really get out of line in this spoti really feel like he has a queen sometimes here but most of the time AA or KK and trying to suck me into a callwhat's the play? Link to post Share on other sites
gooch 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Bodog 25 nlStack sizesHero (17)Villain (25)Hero dealt A Q in the bbvillain raises utg to .90, mp calls, hero callspot (2.80) 3 playersflop: q 3 3 hero checks, villian bets 2.50, mp folds, hero callspot (8.40) two playersturn: 3 hero checks, villain bets all in 21.00, hero...i don't have any great reads on the villain. i just know that he wouldn't really get out of line in this spoti really feel like he has a queen sometimes here but most of the time AA or KK and trying to suck me into a callwhat's the play?If you had check raised the flop you would have a better idea, as it sits he probably has a PP, although now you have no idea which one, he could have put you on AK that missed and thiks his jacks are good, or like you said it could be AA KK, it could also be AK, that's why you have to bet, so you can try and find out Link to post Share on other sites
shpaget 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I don't think he'd push with AA - probably a pot-sized bet...with AA, his worse-case scenaro is you have AK and a 3 comes to chop, or you have a pocket pair and hit it on the river to get the better boat.He may push with KK if he thinks you're drawing to an ace, but even then I doubt it.He definitely pushes with any other pocket pair if he puts you on AK, AJ, Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Either bet out on the flop or c/r it to help find out where you are in the hand...I'm calling on the turn every time though Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 You've shown no aggression in the hand, and he could see this as a sign of drawing to an A or K, or that he can push you off a Q (um, he might think you're weak/tight).I would have c/r'ed the flop, but how it's happened, I don't see how you can fold here. Let's see:villain pf: standard raise to .90 (ok, a lil less than 4x bb, i think this is fine in .10/.25NL)villain postflop: both players check to him, he makes a pot sized bet. A little too big to be a continuation bet, so I'd say he DOES have a legitimate hand. He COULD be potting it w/ AA or KK or AQ in fear of you drawing to the flush, or a pair under Q thinking someone who hit the Q would have bet it.villain on turn: Why would he put you all in when the 3 comes, unless he's trying to steal it here? It isn't a scare card whatsoever (how many times are you gonna have the 3 there..?) Then again, maybe he put you all in there because he KNEW you had the Q, and knew you would put all your money in, and he'd scoop the pot w/ KK or AA.I think you have to call. Because of how you played the hand, you walked yourself into a corner. On a flop like this, i would either lead out having hit the Q, or C/R, to see where I am, but barring how you played the flop, gotta call on turn.GL. Link to post Share on other sites
mkeller3086 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 I don't think he'd push with AA - probably a pot-sized bet...with AA, his worse-case scenaro is you have AK and a 3 comes to chop, or you have a pocket pair and hit it on the river to get the better boat.He may push with KK if he thinks you're drawing to an ace, but even then I doubt it.He definitely pushes with any other pocket pair if he puts you on AK, AJ,so based on your analysis, do you feel its a call? Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 at the very best ur chopping, fold Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 At these stakes I call. Link to post Share on other sites
subsin 0 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 these stakes i call too, wat did he have Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 at the very best ur chopping, folddont really like this at all....u win this more than enough to be a call Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 dont really like this at all....u win this more than enough to be a call nounless OP has a read on villian that this is a bluff or like JJ-88, or any PP ofr that matter Link to post Share on other sites
mkeller3086 0 Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 these stakes i call too, wat did he havehell i guess ill kill the threadi folded, he flashed KK Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 at the very best ur chopping, foldExactly, we don't call overbets in hopes of chopping. JJ does not push into this board and AK probably has a hard time too. Link to post Share on other sites
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