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#1 mkeller3086

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Posted 22 June 2006 - 11:41 AM

Bodog 25 nl

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Hero (17)
Villain (25)

Hero dealt A icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif in the bb

villain raises utg to .90, mp calls, hero calls

pot (2.80) 3 players

flop: q icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_club.gif

hero checks, villian bets 2.50, mp folds, hero calls

pot (8.40) two players

turn: 3 icon_suit_spade.gif

hero checks, villain bets all in 21.00, hero...


i don't have any great reads on the villain. i just know that he wouldn't really get out of line in this spot

i really feel like he has a queen sometimes here but most of the time AA or KK and trying to suck me into a call

what's the play?
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Posted 22 June 2006 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE (mkeller3086 @ Thursday, June 22nd, 2006, 12:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bodog 25 nl

Stack sizes

Hero (17)
Villain (25)

Hero dealt A icon_suit_heart.gif Q icon_suit_heart.gif in the bb

villain raises utg to .90, mp calls, hero calls

pot (2.80) 3 players

flop: q icon_suit_club.gif 3 icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_club.gif

hero checks, villian bets 2.50, mp folds, hero calls

pot (8.40) two players

turn: 3 icon_suit_spade.gif

hero checks, villain bets all in 21.00, hero...
i don't have any great reads on the villain. i just know that he wouldn't really get out of line in this spot

i really feel like he has a queen sometimes here but most of the time AA or KK and trying to suck me into a call

what's the play?


If you had check raised the flop you would have a better idea, as it sits he probably has a PP, although now you have no idea which one, he could have put you on AK that missed and thiks his jacks are good, or like you said it could be AA KK, it could also be AK, that's why you have to bet, so you can try and find out
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Posted 22 June 2006 - 12:15 PM

I don't think he'd push with AA - probably a pot-sized bet...with AA, his worse-case scenaro is you have AK and a 3 comes to chop, or you have a pocket pair and hit it on the river to get the better boat.

He may push with KK if he thinks you're drawing to an ace, but even then I doubt it.

He definitely pushes with any other pocket pair if he puts you on AK, AJ,
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Posted 22 June 2006 - 12:18 PM

Either bet out on the flop or c/r it to help find out where you are in the hand...I'm calling on the turn every time though
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Posted 22 June 2006 - 03:03 PM

You've shown no aggression in the hand, and he could see this as a sign of drawing to an A or K, or that he can push you off a Q (um, he might think you're weak/tight).

I would have c/r'ed the flop, but how it's happened, I don't see how you can fold here.

Let's see:

villain pf: standard raise to .90 (ok, a lil less than 4x bb, i think this is fine in .10/.25NL)

villain postflop: both players check to him, he makes a pot sized bet. A little too big to be a continuation bet, so I'd say he DOES have a legitimate hand. He COULD be potting it w/ AA or KK or AQ in fear of you drawing to the flush, or a pair under Q thinking someone who hit the Q would have bet it.

villain on turn: Why would he put you all in when the 3 comes, unless he's trying to steal it here? It isn't a scare card whatsoever (how many times are you gonna have the 3 there..?)

Then again, maybe he put you all in there because he KNEW you had the Q, and knew you would put all your money in, and he'd scoop the pot w/ KK or AA.


I think you have to call. Because of how you played the hand, you walked yourself into a corner. On a flop like this, i would either lead out having hit the Q, or C/R, to see where I am, but barring how you played the flop, gotta call on turn.

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Posted 22 June 2006 - 03:48 PM

QUOTE (shpaget @ Thursday, June 22nd, 2006, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think he'd push with AA - probably a pot-sized bet...with AA, his worse-case scenaro is you have AK and a 3 comes to chop, or you have a pocket pair and hit it on the river to get the better boat.

He may push with KK if he thinks you're drawing to an ace, but even then I doubt it.

He definitely pushes with any other pocket pair if he puts you on AK, AJ,


so based on your analysis, do you feel its a call?
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Posted 22 June 2006 - 05:29 PM

at the very best ur chopping, fold
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Posted 23 June 2006 - 06:33 AM

At these stakes I call.
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 05:44 PM

these stakes i call too, wat did he have
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 06:09 PM

QUOTE (krup24 @ Thursday, June 22nd, 2006, 6:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
at the very best ur chopping, fold



dont really like this at all....u win this more than enough to be a call
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Posted 25 June 2006 - 07:04 PM

QUOTE (Mattnxtc @ Sunday, June 25th, 2006, 6:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
dont really like this at all....u win this more than enough to be a call



no

unless OP has a read on villian that this is a bluff or like JJ-88, or any PP ofr that matter

#12 mkeller3086

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Posted 25 June 2006 - 10:12 PM

QUOTE (subsin @ Sunday, June 25th, 2006, 5:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
these stakes i call too, wat did he have


hell i guess ill kill the thread

i folded, he flashed KK
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Posted 26 June 2006 - 05:40 AM

QUOTE (krup24 @ Thursday, June 22nd, 2006, 5:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
at the very best ur chopping, fold

Exactly, we don't call overbets in hopes of chopping. JJ does not push into this board and AK probably has a hard time too.




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