Wandering Down The Dark Tunnel

[zimmer4141 0]

#Game No : 4553843589 ***** Hand History for Game 4553843589 *****NL Texas Hold'em Trny:25011119 Level:5 Blinds(150/300) - Monday, June 19, 22:39:04 ET 2006Table Super Monday(736076) Table #45 (Real Money)Seat 4 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10 Seat 2: Insignia92 ( $4654 )Seat 3: cequdor7 ( $37149 )Seat 4: Zimmer4141 ( $8762 )Seat 5: ooTHENEWoo ( $4995 )Seat 6: GateCityDoug ( $5120 )Seat 7: Dr_Petrus ( $17360 )Seat 8: maybeallin1 ( $6082 )Seat 9: silvervirgo ( $14177 )Seat 10: I_rivered_U ( $5908 )Seat 1: RLM7777111 ( $8894 )Trny:25011119 Level:5Blinds(150/300)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to Zimmer4141 [ 9c Jc ]Dr_Petrus folds.maybeallin1 raises [600].silvervirgo calls [600].I_rivered_U folds.RLM7777111 calls [600].Insignia92 folds.cequdor7 folds.Zimmer4141 calls [600].ooTHENEWoo folds.GateCityDoug calls [300].** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 5s, 6h ]GateCityDoug checks.maybeallin1 checks.silvervirgo checks.RLM7777111 checks.Zimmer4141 checks.** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]GateCityDoug bets [1025].maybeallin1 calls [1025].silvervirgo folds.RLM7777111 folds.Zimmer4141 calls [1025].** Dealing River ** [ 2h ]GateCityDoug checks.maybeallin1 checks.Zimmer4141 is all-In [7137]Sorry, couldn't find a converter that worked. Basically, I think preflop is fine, the call on the turn is fine, no clue what to do on this one. On the river, both opponents had under 4k.

[gobears 0]

If I were one of the villains, I would thinkIf you had a naked 5, then giving the free cards on the flop and turn to straight/flush draws wouldn't make sense. For a made hand, you would have to have been holding 56 or 66 to just call down.If you had 6x, then you might play the hand the same way.I might also wonder why you are jamming and not value betting Should go thru unless one of the villains has a 6,2 or A. If one of the villains has an ace, then it would be a gutsy call.

[tskillz187 0]

Once you call on the turn you are setting this play up if no A hits. From how it was played I think you may get called down, they are both getting 2:1 or around there, not sure if I added it correctly. Im figuring one of them may have a small PP and the other some kind of Apaint. I could see either player calling here with both of those, but they could fold too. I would probably just fold the turn as it is the safe play. How come you didn't just raise the turn to try and take it down? Looking for more info? Obviously the check check on the river is nice to see.Any reads on these players?

If I were one of the villains, I would thinkIf you had a naked 5, then giving the free cards on the flop and turn to straight/flush draws wouldn't make sense. For a made hand, you would have to have been holding 56 or 66 to just call down.If you had 6x, then you might play the hand the same way.I might also wonder why you are jamming and not value betting Should go thru unless one of the villains has a 6,2 or A. If one of the villains has an ace, then it would be a gutsy call.

I think Villain may call with 33 or 44 as well which are two hands that either may have.

[zimmer4141 0]

No reads on either opponent. I called the turn to try to hit the flush, and was going to reevaluate on a scary card. The scary card hit, and I tried to represent a 2/5/6, because I think a 5 or a 2 bets that river.

[tskillz187 0]

No reads on either opponent. I called the turn to try to hit the flush, and was going to reevaluate on a scary card. The scary card hit, and I tried to represent a 2/5/6, because I think a 5 or a 2 bets that river.

My bad I missed the flush draw. I think I'm pushing the turn though with the flush draw in our back pocket in case either decides to call. Much rather be pushing with a chance to win still than when our only win is with opponent folding.

[timwakefield 69]

Or just don't play the hand in the first place. Playing a mediocre hand has put you in a spot where you need to bluff to win.

[zimmer4141 0]

Or just don't play the hand in the first place. Playing a mediocre hand has put you in a spot where you need to bluff to win.

Like I said, I'm not going to change the preflop play. It's an opportunity with a good drawing hand in good position and a cheap price to get in with that hand. It's just the style I play, as I feel I can outplay my opponents after the flop.

[Actuary 3]

Or just don't play the hand in the first place. Playing a mediocre hand has put you in a spot where you need to bluff to win.

calling preflop is fine.I imagine someone with Zimmers skills can levergae these opportunities.Zimmer, I'd say the push works against weak players who aren't thinking.

[timwakefield 69]

Like I said, I'm not going to change the preflop play. It's an opportunity with a good drawing hand in good position and a cheap price to get in with that hand. It's just the style I play, as I feel I can outplay my opponents after the flop.

Fair enough, and I'm sure you are better post-flop than most players. I like the way you played post-flop, although if your opponents are paying attention perhaps you should bet less, more like 1.5K or 2K (since their stacks are each <4K). IMO betting half their stacks looks more like you are value-betting a boat, and less like you are stealing. I don't see how anybody is folding to 4K but is calling 2K, so you can achieve the same result (or even better, since I think a smaller bet looks stronger) while also risking less.

[tskillz187 0]

Why is pushing the turn not the best post flop play? I would play it the same until turn and then push there until convinced otherwise.

[zimmer4141 0]

Why is pushing the turn not the best post flop play? I would play it the same until turn and then push there until convinced otherwise.

I didn't like pushing the turn because anyone with a 5 is calling, and I'm drawing to 8 outs against them. I was playing the turn simply to hit my flush without board pairing, until the river came and they both checked, where my plan became to represent a 5.

[tskillz187 0]

I didn't like pushing the turn because anyone with a 5 is calling, and I'm drawing to 8 outs against them. I was playing the turn simply to hit my flush without board pairing, until the river came and they both checked, where my plan became to represent a 5.

I guess, but I think only a 5 is calling you here because you look so much stronger and you are still drawing live. I mean it looks safer on the river because they've both shown weakness, but they also know they've shown weakness and your overbet could be seen as such, assuming you are playing a decent buy in 30+.

[mk 11]

the only hands that make sense for you to play this slow on the early streets and then push hard with on the end are 66 or 55, and these hands are obv pretty unlikely. if i were a villian in this hand, i'd probably look you up with any pair because your play just reeks of whiffed draws.

[fckthis 0]

call preflop-lovecall turn-Why cant we semibluff here? Most of our fold equity is here, where as on your river, A-high WILL CALL. Ive run this bluff so many times, and called 90%~ by ace high.