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[Snowman]

Looking for comments on how I played this hand:Seat 2: MP ($60.95 in chips)Seat 3: CO ($27.25 in chips)Seat 4: Button ($19 in chips)Seat 6: SB ($9.05 in chips)Seat 7: BB ($45.35 in chips)Seat 8: UTG ($29.10 in chips)Seat 9: HERO ($38.25 in chips)Seat 10: UTG+2 ($114.90 in chips)HERO is dealt [ AC, AS ]ANTES/BLINDSSB posts blind ($0.25), BB posts blind ($0.50).PRE-FLOPUTG bets $1, HERO bets $1.50, UTG+2 calls $1.50, MP folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls $1.25, BB folds, UTG bets $1, HERO calls $0.50, UTG+2 calls $0.50, SB calls $0.50.Capped pre-flop, can't complain about that.FLOP [board cards JC,2D,8S ]SB bets $0.50, UTG calls $0.50, HERO bets $1, UTG+2 calls $1, SB bets $1, UTG bets $1.50, HERO calls $1, UTG+2 calls $1, SB calls $0.50.Ok, now I'm getting scared of trips.I'm not too worried about UTG+2, he has been playing really weird, calling with nothing, things like that, but SB and UTG look dangerous.I decide to slow down on the turn...TURN [board cards JC,2D,8S,9C ]SB checks, UTG checks, HERO bets $1, UTG+2 folds, SB calls $1, UTG calls $1.Hey, they both check?I decide to bet out to see where I'm at.RIVER [board cards JC,2D,8S,9C,KD ]SB checks, UTG checks, HERO bets $1, SB calls $1, UTG folds.They check again and I'm figuring I'm ahead and bet for value.Comments? Any ideas what UTG has that he can fold at this point?

[wrto4556]

cap the flop.

[Snowman]

It was capped. That's maybe not clearly visible with this layout, but it was: SB bets, I raise, SB raises again, UTG caps.Otherwise good?

[wrto4556]

Snowman said:

It was capped. That's maybe not clearly visible with this layout, but it was: SB bets, I raise, SB raises again, UTG caps.Otherwise good?

My bad. It's 5am. :-) Nicely played.

[Smasharoo]

Comments? Any ideas what UTG has that he can fold at this point?9T plays that way.

[shamhawks]

my guess is utg has pp 33-77

[Snowman]

Smasharoo said:

Comments? Any ideas what UTG has that he can fold at this point?9T plays that way.

He came out betting pre-flop under the gun and he capped it when it came around to him again. I'm having a hard time putting him on 9T. I had him on an over pair or a set of jacks, but folding that at the river doesn't really make sense to me.

[Snowman]

Oh, by the way, SB had J6o. I guess I should send him a thank you card.

[Smasharoo]

He came out betting pre-flop under the gun and he capped it when it came around to him again.Yeah, 9T plays that way. Did I stutter?:)Let me elaborate.9T on this flop has an 8 out draw to the nuts which will complete more than 25% of the time and win him the hand. He's right to get 100 bets in here if everyone keeps calling.He misses the turn, but clearly has odds to call still (but no longer is getting value fomr a raise), then misses the river and has T high so he folds.Actualy not much other than 9T plays that way.

[Snowman]

Smasharoo said:

Yeah, 9T plays that way.  Did I stutter?:)Let me elaborate.9T on this flop has an 8 out draw to the nuts which will complete more than 25% of the time and win him the hand.  He's right to get 100 bets in here if everyone keeps calling.He misses the turn, but clearly has odds to call still (but no longer is getting value fomr a raise), then misses the river and has T high so he folds.Actualy not much other than 9T plays that way.

Nope, you didn't stutter. I got it. Thanks for the elaboration though. :)I figure, looking back, that he's got to be on a draw, and I agree that the play from the flop and on matches well with 9T and that it's correct play by him.It's just that all the action he's putting in pre-flop made me think that he probably had a bigger hand than that. It can't be right to bet under the gun with 9T, right?Another question on that though: Let's say we know he did have 9T, is the pre-flop cap a good play? It's pretty much certain that everyone will call, so is it +EV to get another bet from everyone in the pot at that point?My gut feeling says no, but I don't have the maths nor the experience to back that up. Anyway, that's why I put him on a big hand pre-flop.

[Smasharoo]

Another question on that though: Let's say we know he did have 9T, is the pre-flop cap a good playNot really, but it's not as out of line as anything but 9T playing that way on the flop. 9Ts does play well multiway and there is some theory out there suggesting that people build big pots pre-flop with it if they have a lot of callers to build a big bot for when they flop a draw. Someone could read that and disregard position and overvalue it and decide to cap here.I wouldn't recommend it, but it's not as nutty as capping the flop with 55 or somethig woudld be.

[Naismith]

Snowman said:

Another question on that though: Let's say we know he did have 9T, is the pre-flop cap a good play? It's pretty much certain that everyone will call, so is it +EV to get another bet from everyone in the pot at that point?My gut feeling says no, but I don't have the maths nor the experience to back that up. Anyway, that's why I put him on a big hand pre-flop.

The other thing to keep in mind...a lot of people don't even know what +EV is, so they don't intentionally make plays that are or aren't +EV on purpose.Peace,Jay

[Snowman]

Smasharoo said:

Not really, but it's not as out of line as anything but 9T playing that way on the flop.  9Ts does play well multiway and there is some theory out there suggesting that people build big pots pre-flop with it if they have a lot of callers to build a big bot for when they flop a draw.  Someone could read that and disregard position and overvalue it and decide to cap here.I wouldn't recommend it, but it's not as nutty as capping the flop with 55 or somethig woudld be.

Thanks, good answer.

Naismith said:

The other thing to keep in mind...a lot of people don't even know what +EV is, so they don't intentionally make plays that are or aren't +EV on purpose.

Yeah, I realize that. I just figured there could be some pot-building theory behind it, like the one Smash mentions in his post, so I thought I'd ask in case I'd happen to be at the other side of it in the future.