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[NormanHaupt]

Okay, I've compiled some hands that pretty much sums up my limit play. I'm a winner in the long run. My preflop play is pretty good I feel (I make occassional mistakes, not betting AK because I'm multitabling). Its my postflop play I've trouble with. These are posted for Allin, Aki, and wrto- but I hope to see replies from Smash and may other limit players. Thanks for the help everyone.-------------Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qs Ts]Hefnz: folds Billy Mass: calls $0.25IMTheWalrus8: folds Mr Coca Cola: folds xTBONEx: raises $0.25 to $0.50L.A. VIC: folds Gray Goblin: calls $0.50fingers35: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.40jholt: calls $0.25Billy Mass: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [4c Ks Jd]NormanHaupt: checks jholt: checks Billy Mass: bets $0.25xTBONEx: calls $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25jholt: folds *** TURN *** [4c Ks Jd] [3c]NormanHaupt: checks Billy Mass: checks xTBONEx: checks Gray Goblin: checks *** RIVER *** [4c Ks Jd 3c] [Th]NormanHaupt: checks Billy Mass: bets $0.50xTBONEx: folds Gray Goblin: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***Billy Mass: shows [Td Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)Honestly.. should I have folded? He bet when my card hit, May have been a straight but I didn't figure. If he hit a pair of T's I figured I had him with my Q kicker. What do you think? Still had my straight draw, too.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Js 4s]Sunfish: folds ruk2: calls $0.25jfbII joins the table at seat #3 Murdogg20: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks *** FLOP *** [9d 7h Kd]Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: checks ruk2: checks *** TURN *** [9d 7h Kd] [4d]Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: checks ruk2: checks *** RIVER *** [9d 7h Kd 4d] [Kc]Murdogg20: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50ruk2: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***Murdogg20: shows [8c 8s] (two pair, Kings and Eights)This a bad call, too? hit my 4's.. I'm callig these marginal hands I should be folding, I think.Dealt to NormanHaupt [8c 8d]fingers35: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.25jholt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds Billy Mass: folds IMTheWalrus8: folds Mr Coca Cola: folds xTBONEx: folds L.A. VIC: folds Gray Goblin: checks *** FLOP *** [Ad 4s 5h]Gray Goblin: checks NormanHaupt: checks jholt: bets $0.25Gray Goblin: folds NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50jholt: raises $0.25 to $0.75NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Ad 4s 5h] [Qh]NormanHaupt: checks jholt: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds jholt collected $2.35 from potjholt: doesn't show hand jholt had bluffed at a couple pots- I reraised him figuring he hit bottom pair. That Q didn't help. What did you guys think about this play?Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ks Ac]Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25TeamQC: folds BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50d4ysl3epr: calls $0.50SooperGloo: folds SooperGloo leaves the tablejl3939: folds Schmenky: folds Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [9s 4h Qh]Schub: checks MVISholder: checks BILLSPOT: checks mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [9s 4h Qh] [Jd]Schub: checks MVISholder: checks BILLSPOT: checks mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: checks d4ysl3epr: checks *** RIVER *** [9s 4h Qh Jd] [3h]Schub: checks MVISholder: checks BILLSPOT: bets $0.50mnjaved: folds NormanHaupt: folds d4ysl3epr: folds Schub: calls $0.50MVISholder: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***BILLSPOT: shows [8h Qd] (a pair of Queens)I haave serious problems with AK. This is a setandard hand. Miss / check to me / bet. I can't help it. Someone want to explain the proper way to play AK to me, please?If I bet preflop and its checked to me, and I check, I automatically get raised. Its a given. I can never put people on hands because I figure they're raising my weakness.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Tc Ks]Schmenky: folds Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: folds TeamQC: folds BILLSPOT: folds mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25d4ysl3epr: folds SooperGloo: folds jl3939: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [2s 7s Kh]jl3939: checks Schub: bets $0.25mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.75jl3939: folds Schub: calls $0.50mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $1Betting is cappedNormanHaupt: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2s 7s Kh] [Ah]Schub: checks mnjaved: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds Schub: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [2s 7s Kh Ah] [Qh]Schub: checks mnjaved: bets $0.50Schub: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***mnjaved: shows [Kc Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)k I was clearly beaten here.. but I was in the BB. I'm told if I'm raised in the BB, call with whatever hand I would normally call with. This right? I also hear KTo is a huge money sinkhole. What about this?Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ts Qs]lottsdollar: calls $0.25Murdogg20: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.15Sunfish: checks *** FLOP *** [Kc 6d 8c]NormanHaupt: checks Sunfish: checks lottsdollar: checks *** TURN *** [Kc 6d 8c] [Tc]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50Sunfish: calls $0.50lottsdollar: folds *** RIVER *** [Kc 6d 8c Tc] [5c]NormanHaupt: checks Sunfish: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds Sunfish collected $1.75 from potHow do you feel folding to a three flush? Betting T's on the turn after the flop checked? Need a lot of help on this play.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ah 4h]NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds Billy Mass: folds IMTheWalrus8: folds xTBONEx: folds L.A. VIC: folds Gray Goblin: calls $0.15fingers35: checks *** FLOP *** [Td 6h Ad]Gray Goblin: checks fingers35: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25fingers35: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Td 6h Ad] [5d]Gray Goblin: checks fingers35: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50Gray Goblin: raises $0.50 to $1fingers35: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Td 6h Ad 5d] [Jd]Gray Goblin: bets $0.50fingers35: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***Gray Goblin: shows [2d Kd] (a flush, Ace high)fingers35: mucks hand NormanHaupt: mucks hand Gray Goblin collected $6.50 from potThis one.. A4s hit my A's. Bet out and get reraised. I call with caution hoping to catch another A or 4 or heart. I get none of it. Should I have folded automatically to the third diamond? How about on the reraise?Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kh Kc]ndsapp: calls $0.25Misterman: calls $0.25nealarm joins the table at seat #5 NormanHaupt: calls $0.15Hefnz: checks *** FLOP *** [Ah 2s 7d]NormanHaupt: bets $0.25Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: raises $0.25 to $0.50Misterman: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds *** TURN *** [Ah 2s 7d] [5c]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50ndsapp: raises $0.50 to $1Misterman: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Ah 2s 7d 5c] [6h]NormanHaupt: checks ndsapp: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***ndsapp: shows [Ad 2d] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)I'm having a serious problem with KK, QQ, JJ when something hits above it. I can't get away. This is a premium example. I play at loose tables where people seem to bet with any pair. Should I tighten up when an overcard hits and someone bets? (I mistakenly didn't rease preflop, four tabling.. blah)Dealt to NormanHaupt [Td Qc]angiomel: calls $0.25lotsogold: folds ETrain12: folds Sunfish: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks *** FLOP *** [7h Th Jh]Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: checks angiomel: bets $0.25Sunfish: folds Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50angiomel: raises $0.25 to $0.75Murdogg20: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [7h Th Jh] [Ac]NormanHaupt: checks angiomel: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds Hete you see.. going nuts again with second pair. Maybe I'm not believing people whe they bet in limit.. should I be folding this automatically instead of reraising to prove they got it?Dealt to NormanHaupt [9c 9d]NormanHaupt: calls $0.25ibara leaves the tableHefnz: folds ndsapp: folds bob536: calls $0.15Misterman: checks *** FLOP *** [As 2c 6s]bob536: checks Misterman: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25bob536: calls $0.25Misterman: folds *** TURN *** [As 2c 6s] [6d]bob536: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50bob536: folds NormanHaupt collected $1.25 from potBetting into an A on the flop with a caller. What do you think of this? He checked and I bet again.. may have been a check raise, or weakness. I hadn'ta clue at the time. Dealt to NormanHaupt [4c 8c]lotsogold: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: folds digs13: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.15angiomel: checks *** FLOP *** [Jc 8s 7d]NormanHaupt: checks angiomel: checks lotsogold: checks drwho717: checks digs13: checks Murdogg20: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25lotsogold: folds drwho717: folds digs13: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Jc 8s 7d] [8d]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50drwho717 leaves the tableangiomel: calls $0.50digs13: folds Murdogg20: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jc 8s 7d 8d] [Kh]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50angiomel: folds Murdogg20: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***NormanHaupt: shows [4c 8c] (three of a kind, Eights)another iffy call. I find myself calling with second pair to try and catch a third or two pair on the turn. Is this spewing chips? Implied odds say if I hit I'll get some callers because of the betting.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Jc Kc]d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25Who Cut 1: folds abrash: calls $0.25Schmenky: folds Schub: raises $0.25 to $0.50MVISholder: calls $0.50TeamQC: calls $0.50BILLSPOT: folds mnjaved: calls $0.40NormanHaupt: calls $0.25d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25abrash: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [8h Ks 4d]mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25d4ysl3epr: folds abrash: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25TeamQC: folds mnjaved: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [8h Ks 4d] [Qd]mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50abrash: raises $0.50 to $1Schub: calls $1MVISholder: calls $1mnjaved: calls $1NormanHaupt: raises $0.50 to $1.50abrash: calls $0.50Schub: calls $0.50MVISholder: calls $0.50mnjaved: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [8h Ks 4d Qd] [4s]mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50abrash: folds Schub: folds MVISholder: folds mnjaved: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***NormanHaupt: shows [Jc Kc] (two pair, Kings and Fours)mnjaved: shows [Kd As] (two pair, Kings and Fours - Ace kicker)mnjaved collected $12.75 from potKJs, called 1 extra bet from BB. Hit top pair good kicker bet out- 2,318 callers. Queen turned, assumed my K was still good. Get reraised, probably someone who went Q happy. Should I have re-reraised? (the outcome sucked, too. Didn't put him on AK though, he didn't reraise preflop. Figured my J was good againstany K but schub's)Dealt to NormanHaupt [6d 4d]bob536: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25TouchMe52: calls $0.25helrazer: folds Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: calls $0.15ibara: checks *** FLOP *** [2h Kh 6s]ndsapp: checks ibara: checks bob536: checks NormanHaupt: checks TouchMe52: bets $0.25Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: folds ibara: folds bob536: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2h Kh 6s] [7c]bob536: checks NormanHaupt: checks TouchMe52: bets $0.50Hefnz: folds bob536: folds NormanHaupt: folds TouchMe52 collected $2.50 from potTouchMe52: shows [2s 3s] (a pair of Deuces)One gapper I called with.. left over from playing NL I think. Hit middle pair with crappy kicker. I call last hoping for improvement. If I hit my card I would check, let the guy to my left bet, let them all call and reraise. If not, I could fold. Good plan?Dealt to NormanHaupt [8c 8h]dig riggs: calls $0.25IMTheWalrus8: folds PRESTON62: calls $0.25xTBONEx: folds L.A. VIC: folds fingers35: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25allstarz: calls $0.15Hefnz: checks *** FLOP *** [8s 4d 5h]allstarz: checks Hefnz: checks dig riggs: checks PRESTON62: checks fingers35: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25allstarz: folds Hefnz: folds dig riggs: folds PRESTON62: calls $0.25fingers35: folds *** TURN *** [8s 4d 5h] [2s]PRESTON62: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50PRESTON62: folds NormanHaupt collected $2 from potWith a blank flop like this.. how would you guys feel about slow playing? Maybe letting someone hit paint and think I'm weak?Dealt to NormanHaupt [Tc As]Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25JTP-HS: calls $0.25lotsogold: folds drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: calls $0.25steveed3: calls $0.15digs13: raises $0.25 to $0.50Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25JTP-HS: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: calls $0.25steveed3: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Jh 5c Ac]steveed3: checks digs13: checks Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25angiomel: folds JTP-HS: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: folds steveed3: calls $0.25digs13: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Jh 5c Ac] [7h]steveed3: checks digs13: bets $0.50Murdogg20: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50JTP-HS: calls $0.50drwho717: folds steveed3: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jh 5c Ac 7h] [6h]steveed3: checks digs13: checks Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50JTP-HS: folds steveed3: folds digs13: raises $0.50 to $1Murdogg20: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***digs13: shows [Ad 8s] (a pair of Aces)NormanHaupt: shows [Tc As] (a pair of Aces - Ten kicker)Should I have slowed down any with so many callers? I get paranoid when people just call along. Assumed they were on a club draw or had J's.Dealt to NormanHaupt [9h 7c]NormanHaupt: checks picoagi: calls $0.25ace1won: folds sitting: folds jim3099: checks *** FLOP *** [4c 6d 7h]jim3099: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25picoagi: folds *** TURN *** [4c 6d 7h] [Qd]jim3099: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds jim3099 collected $1.45 from potjim3099: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $1.45 | Rake $0 Board [4c 6d 7h Qd]Seat 2: NormanHaupt folded on the TurnSeat 6: picoagi folded on the FlopSeat 8: ace1won (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: sitting (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 10: jim3099 (big blind) collected ($1.45)Top pair.. get bet into there, but I call. Bets into me again. What do you think of that fold? Had a feeling of trips.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qs Js]ace1won joins the table at seat #8 98FLHRC: folds civicsi2726: folds jerry-777: folds picoagi: folds Seth Cowen: folds sitting: folds boredbrain: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks *** FLOP *** [Th 3h Ts]boredbrain: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50boredbrain: folds NormanHaupt collected $1 from potNormanHaupt is sitting outNormanHaupt: doesn't show hand I wasn't lying when I said people raise with nothing.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qh Th]NormanHaupt: calls $0.2598FLHRC: folds jerry-777: folds jerry-777 is sitting outpicoagi: calls $0.25sitting: calls $0.15korney11: checks *** FLOP *** [2c Kh Ac]civicsi2726 joins the table at seat #4 sitting: checks korney11: checks NormanHaupt: checks picoagi: bets $0.25sitting: calls $0.25korney11: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2c Kh Ac] [6h]sitting: checks korney11: checks NormanHaupt: checks picoagi: bets $0.50sitting: calls $0.50korney11: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [2c Kh Ac 6h] [4h]sitting: checks NormanHaupt: checks picoagi: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***sitting: shows [Ts Ks] (a pair of Kings)NormanHaupt: shows [Qh Th] (a flush, King high)This is a funny had. Called QTh thought about a straight. Then thought about a flush on the turn. Hit it on the river. I was right to call on the flop, right?Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qd Qs]jaclar leaves the tablehandyman63: calls $0.25Feelin Bad: calls $0.25wildfan1 is connected spitgame09: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.75Hefnz: folds wildcard0877: folds wildfan1 has returnedservice-1: folds ndsapp joins the table at seat #4 painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: calls $0.50Feelin Bad: calls $0.50spitgame09: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [4s 6h Ks]painter12: checks handyman63: checks Feelin Bad: bets $0.25spitgame09: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.25painter12: calls $0.25handyman63: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [4s 6h Ks] [Jd]painter12: checks handyman63: checks Feelin Bad: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: folds *** RIVER *** [4s 6h Ks Jd] [5h]painter12: checks Feelin Bad: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50painter12: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***Feelin Bad: shows [4d 6c] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)NormanHaupt: mucks hand I really hate QQ. Should IU have rolled over on the flop with that K out there? Reraised?Dealt to NormanHaupt [Th Ts]wildfan1: raises $0.25 to $0.50service-1: folds jaclar: folds painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: calls $0.50Feelin Bad: calls $0.50spitgame09: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50Hefnz: folds wildcard0877: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Jh 2c 2h]wildcard0877: checks wildfan1: bets $0.25painter12: folds handyman63: calls $0.25Feelin Bad: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: folds wildcard0877: folds *** TURN *** [Jh 2c 2h] [9h]wildfan1: bets $0.50handyman63: folds Feelin Bad: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jh 2c 2h 9h] [3h]wildfan1: bets $0.50Feelin Bad: raises $0.50 to $1wildfan1: calls $0.50 and is all-in*** SHOW DOWN ***Feelin Bad: shows [3c Kh] (a flush, King high)wildfan1: mucks hand Dispite the 3flush on the tur.. what did you think of the flop fold? Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kc Kh]NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50angiomel: folds lotsogold: calls $0.50Seabiskit: folds dayankkeboy: calls $0.40digs13: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [2c 6d 8d]dayankkeboy: checks digs13: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25lotsogold: calls $0.25dayankkeboy: calls $0.25digs13: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2c 6d 8d] [Qd]dayankkeboy: bets $0.50digs13: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50lotsogold: folds *** RIVER *** [2c 6d 8d Qd] [5h]dayankkeboy: bets $0.50digs13: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***dayankkeboy: shows [5d 3d] (a flush, Queen high)KK, bet on that flop. Soemone bets when a Q pops. Worired about the flush.. should I have folded? Was I right to string along?Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ah Tc]helrazer: folds NormanHaupt: checks eljobe: calls $0.25jimdog99: calls $0.25helrazer leaves the tabledig riggs: calls $0.25xTBONEx: folds Bambidoo: folds ndsapp: checks *** FLOP *** [Qh 9s Ts]fingers35 joins the table at seat #1 ndsapp: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25eljobe: calls $0.25jimdog99: calls $0.25dig riggs: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Qh 9s Ts] [7c]ndsapp: checks NormanHaupt: checks eljobe: checks jimdog99: checks dig riggs: checks *** RIVER *** [Qh 9s Ts 7c] [Kh]ndsapp: checks NormanHaupt: checks eljobe: bets $0.50jimdog99: calls $0.50dig riggs: folds dig riggs is sitting outndsapp: folds NormanHaupt: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***eljobe: shows [Jc As] (a straight, Ten to Ace)This is another one of those pain in the ass hands. Flopped second pair with a strong kicker. Should I have called the bet? reraised it? Should I have bet the turn when he checked? Should I have folded? (straight wasn't much of a possibility to me)Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kd Ks]pamelot: calls $0.25Rosie66: calls $0.25matt279: folds ndsapp: folds puto69: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50damom: folds Strangefate: folds chuck MC: calls $0.25pamelot: calls $0.25Rosie66: calls $0.25puto69: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [9d Ah 4h]chuck MC: checks pamelot: bets $0.25Rosie66: folds puto69: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.25chuck MC: folds *** TURN *** [9d Ah 4h] [6s]pamelot: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [9d Ah 4h 6s] [3s]pamelot: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***pamelot: shows [Ad 3d] (two pair, Aces and Threes)I can't get away from KK. Should I reraise that flop? Fold? blah.. reoccuring theme.

[Vade]

An average players opinion.KK is an ace magnet, don't forget that :PYou've got to assume that an A on the flop probably hit someone, quietly mutter a curse, and move on.AK is a hand that 99.999% of players won't fold on the flop, unless the betting is very aggressive. I've never successfully folded it on the flop, unless a player in the pot who didn't raise, only called makes a bet at it.Those two stood out to me.

[Absolute]

I would have read and replied with helpful comments, but I didn't get invited.

[NormanHaupt]

lol sorry, Absolute. There's so many good posters on the forum- and I hardly read this section because my advice is't that great. But I certainly want all the opinions I can get man

[NormanHaupt]

Vade said:

An average players opinion.KK is an ace magnet, don't forget that :PYou've got to assume that an A on the flop probably hit someone, quietly mutter a curse, and move on.AK is a hand that 99.999% of players won't fold on the flop, unless the betting is very aggressive.  I've never successfully folded it on the flop, unless a player in the pot who didn't raise, only called makes a bet at it.Those two stood out to me.

So when an overcard hits I should't bet hard into it? And if anyone could count.. they'd probably only see 23. But, I deleted 2 because they were pretty embarassing hands I should've folded as sooon as I could've. lol

[Vade]

My advice usually isn't that good either, at least as far as hands go. I offer my opinions as a contrast, to set the example of what not to do (not really ) and as in the other thread, I learn more by saying what I would do in this situation.I only would take my advice on small NL and PL tournies, as that's where my success lies, again I'm an average player who enjoys posting a lot

[Vade]

NormanHaupt said:

Vade said:

An average players opinion.KK is an ace magnet, don't forget that :PYou've got to assume that an A on the flop probably hit someone, quietly mutter a curse, and move on.AK is a hand that 99.999% of players won't fold on the flop, unless the betting is very aggressive.  I've never successfully folded it on the flop, unless a player in the pot who didn't raise, only called makes a bet at it.Those two stood out to me.

So when an overcard hits I should't bet hard into it? And if anyone could count.. they'd probably only see 23. But, I deleted 2 because they were pretty embarassing hands I should've folded as sooon as I could've. lol

You said specifically "I'm having a serious problem with KK, QQ, JJ when something hits above it" I think if you're seeing an aggressive play in a pot where you were the preflop raiser, yeah, you have to be very carefulAnd you showed down KK with an ace on the flop. Taking a stab at it is okay, but when you get raised, there's no point in continuing.

[NormanHaupt]

But if you raise preflop, and then fold when reraised on the normal flop.. isn't that opening the doors for any noob with two braicells to rub together?

[wrto4556]

[quote name='NormanHaupt]dealt to NormanHaupt [Qs Ts]Hefnz: folds  Billy Mass: calls $0.25IMTheWalrus8: folds  Mr Coca Cola: folds  xTBONEx: raises $0.25 to $0.50L.A. VIC: folds  Gray Goblin: calls $0.50fingers35: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.40jholt: calls $0.25Billy Mass: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [4c Ks Jd]NormanHaupt: checks  jholt: checks  Billy Mass: bets $0.25xTBONEx: calls $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25jholt: folds  *** TURN *** [4c Ks Jd] [3c]NormanHaupt: checks  Billy Mass: checks  xTBONEx: checks  Gray Goblin: checks  *** RIVER *** [4c Ks Jd 3c] [Th]NormanHaupt: checks  Billy Mass: bets $0.50xTBONEx: folds  Gray Goblin: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***Billy Mass: shows [Td Jc] (two pair' date=' Jacks and Tens)[/b']Honestly.. should I have folded? He bet when my card hit, May have been a straight but I didn't figure. If he hit a pair of T's I figured I had him with my Q kicker. What do you think? Still had my straight draw, too.[/quote]The call preflop is pretty loose. The call on the river is bad.[quote name='NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Js 4s]Sunfish: folds  ruk2: calls $0.25jfbII joins the table at seat #3  Murdogg20: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks  *** FLOP *** [9d 7h Kd]Murdogg20: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  ruk2: checks  *** TURN *** [9d 7h Kd] [4d]Murdogg20: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  ruk2: checks  *** RIVER *** [9d 7h Kd 4d] [Kc]Murdogg20: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50ruk2: folds  *** SHOW DOWN ***Murdogg20: shows [8c 8s] (two pair' date=' Kings and Eights)[/b']This a bad call, too? hit my 4's.. I'm callig these marginal hands I should be folding, I think.[/quote]Pots pretty small. I'm folding.PS>Don't show results.[quote name='NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [8c 8d]fingers35: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.25jholt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds  Billy Mass: folds  IMTheWalrus8: folds  Mr Coca Cola: folds  xTBONEx: folds  L.A. VIC: folds  Gray Goblin: checks  *** FLOP *** [Ad 4s 5h]Gray Goblin: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  jholt: bets $0.25Gray Goblin: folds  NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50jholt: raises $0.25 to $0.75NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Ad 4s 5h] [Qh]NormanHaupt: checks  jholt: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds  jholt collected $2.35 from potjholt: doesn't show hand jholt had bluffed at a couple pots- I reraised him figuring he hit bottom pair. That Q didn't help. What did you guys think about this play?[/quote]Bad Idea. Wait till you have a better hand so that he can bluff all his chips and you can raise more comfortably.[quote=NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ks Ac]Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25TeamQC: folds  BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50d4ysl3epr: calls $0.50SooperGloo: folds  SooperGloo leaves the tablejl3939: folds  Schmenky: folds  Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [9s 4h Qh]Schub: checks  MVISholder: checks  BILLSPOT: checks  mnjaved: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.25d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [9s 4h Qh] [Jd]Schub: checks  MVISholder: checks  BILLSPOT: checks  mnjaved: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  d4ysl3epr: checks  *** RIVER *** [9s 4h Qh Jd] [3h]Schub: checks  MVISholder: checks  BILLSPOT: bets $0.50mnjaved: folds  NormanHaupt: folds  d4ysl3epr: folds  Schub: calls $0.50MVISholder: folds  *** SHOW DOWN ***BILLSPOT: shows [8h Qd] (a pair of Queens)I haave serious problems with AK. This is a setandard hand. Miss / check to me / bet. I can't help it. Someone want to explain the proper way to play AK to me' date=' please?If I bet preflop and its checked to me, and I check, I automatically get raised. Its a given. I can never put people on hands because I figure they're raising my weakness.[/quote']Autobet that flop. There are so many calls checking the turn is correct. Well played.[quote name='NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Tc Ks]Schmenky: folds  Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: folds  TeamQC: folds  BILLSPOT: folds  mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25d4ysl3epr: folds  SooperGloo: folds  jl3939: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [2s 7s Kh]jl3939: checks  Schub: bets $0.25mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.75jl3939: folds  Schub: calls $0.50mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $1Betting is cappedNormanHaupt: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2s 7s Kh] [Ah]Schub: checks  mnjaved: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds  Schub: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [2s 7s Kh Ah] [Qh]Schub: checks  mnjaved: bets $0.50Schub: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***mnjaved: shows [Kc Ac] (two pair' date=' Aces and Kings)[/b']k I was clearly beaten here.. but I was in the BB. I'm told if I'm raised in the BB, call with whatever hand I would normally call with. This right? I also hear KTo is a huge money sinkhole. What about this?[/quote]Fold preflop. Fold to the raise on the flop.[quote name='NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ts Qs]lottsdollar: calls $0.25Murdogg20: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.15Sunfish: checks  *** FLOP *** [Kc 6d 8c]NormanHaupt: checks  Sunfish: checks  lottsdollar: checks  *** TURN *** [Kc 6d 8c] [Tc]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50Sunfish: calls $0.50lottsdollar: folds  *** RIVER *** [Kc 6d 8c Tc] [5c]NormanHaupt: checks  Sunfish: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds  Sunfish collected $1.75 from potHow do you feel folding to a three flush? Betting T's on the turn after the flop checked? Need a lot of help on this play.[/quote]Ide call the river bet...not sure if the pot is big enough' date=' but as a general rule, I call on the river for one bet 90% of the time[quote=NormanHaupt']Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ah 4h]NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds  Billy Mass: folds  IMTheWalrus8: folds  xTBONEx: folds  L.A. VIC: folds  Gray Goblin: calls $0.15fingers35: checks  *** FLOP *** [Td 6h Ad]Gray Goblin: checks  fingers35: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25fingers35: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Td 6h Ad] [5d]Gray Goblin: checks  fingers35: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50Gray Goblin: raises $0.50 to $1fingers35: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Td 6h Ad 5d] [Jd]Gray Goblin: bets $0.50fingers35: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***Gray Goblin: shows [2d Kd] (a flush, Ace high)fingers35: mucks hand  NormanHaupt: mucks hand  Gray Goblin collected $6.50 from potThis one.. A4s hit my A's. Bet out and get reraised. I call with caution hoping to catch another A or 4 or heart. I get none of it. Should I have folded automatically to the third diamond? How about on the reraise?[/quote]YOUR KICKER SUCKS! Check the flop, fold to a bet.[quote name='NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kh Kc]ndsapp: calls $0.25Misterman: calls $0.25nealarm joins the table at seat #5  NormanHaupt: calls $0.15Hefnz: checks  *** FLOP *** [Ah 2s 7d]NormanHaupt: bets $0.25Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: raises $0.25 to $0.50Misterman: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds  *** TURN *** [Ah 2s 7d] [5c]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50ndsapp: raises $0.50 to $1Misterman: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Ah 2s 7d 5c] [6h]NormanHaupt: checks  ndsapp: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***ndsapp: shows [Ad 2d] (two pair' date=' Aces and Deuces)[/b']I'm having a serious problem with KK, QQ, JJ when something hits above it. I can't get away. This is a premium example. I play at loose tables where people seem to bet with any pair. Should I tighten up when an overcard hits and someone bets? (I mistakenly didn't rease preflop, four tabling.. blah)[/quote]Bet the flop. Call the raise. Check/fold the turn. Your kings are no good.[quote name='NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Td Qc]angiomel: calls $0.25lotsogold: folds  ETrain12: folds  Sunfish: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks  *** FLOP *** [7h Th Jh]Murdogg20: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  angiomel: bets $0.25Sunfish: folds  Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50angiomel: raises $0.25 to $0.75Murdogg20: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [7h Th Jh] [Ac]NormanHaupt: checks  angiomel: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds  Hete you see.. going nuts again with second pair. Maybe I'm not believing people whe they bet in limit.. should I be folding this automatically instead of reraising to prove they got it?[/quote]yes' date=' fold to the bet.[quote=NormanHaupt']Dealt to NormanHaupt [9c 9d]NormanHaupt: calls $0.25ibara leaves the tableHefnz: folds  ndsapp: folds  bob536: calls $0.15Misterman: checks  *** FLOP *** [As 2c 6s]bob536: checks  Misterman: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.25bob536: calls $0.25Misterman: folds  *** TURN *** [As 2c 6s] [6d]bob536: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.50bob536: folds  NormanHaupt collected $1.25 from potBetting into an A on the flop with a caller. What do you think of this? He checked and I bet again.. may have been a check raise, or weakness. I hadn'ta clue at the time. [/quote]It looks good because you're last to act. Nice play.[quote name='NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [4c 8c]lotsogold: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: folds  digs13: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.15angiomel: checks  *** FLOP *** [Jc 8s 7d]NormanHaupt: checks  angiomel: checks  lotsogold: checks  drwho717: checks  digs13: checks  Murdogg20: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25lotsogold: folds  drwho717: folds  digs13: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Jc 8s 7d] [8d]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50drwho717 leaves the tableangiomel: calls $0.50digs13: folds  Murdogg20: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jc 8s 7d 8d] [Kh]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50angiomel: folds  Murdogg20: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***NormanHaupt: shows [4c 8c] (three of a kind' date=' Eights)[/b']another iffy call. I find myself calling with second pair to try and catch a third or two pair on the turn. Is this spewing chips? Implied odds say if I hit I'll get some callers because of the betting.[/quote]Fold on the flop. The turn and river looked good.[quote name='NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Jc Kc]d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25Who Cut 1: folds  abrash: calls $0.25Schmenky: folds  Schub: raises $0.25 to $0.50MVISholder: calls $0.50TeamQC: calls $0.50BILLSPOT: folds  mnjaved: calls $0.40NormanHaupt: calls $0.25d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25abrash: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [8h Ks 4d]mnjaved: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.25d4ysl3epr: folds  abrash: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25TeamQC: folds  mnjaved: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [8h Ks 4d] [Qd]mnjaved: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.50abrash: raises $0.50 to $1Schub: calls $1MVISholder: calls $1mnjaved: calls $1NormanHaupt: raises $0.50 to $1.50abrash: calls $0.50Schub: calls $0.50MVISholder: calls $0.50mnjaved: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [8h Ks 4d Qd] [4s]mnjaved: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.50abrash: folds  Schub: folds  MVISholder: folds  mnjaved: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***NormanHaupt: shows [Jc Kc] (two pair' date=' Kings and Fours)mnjaved: shows [Kd As'] (two pair, Kings and Fours - Ace kicker)mnjaved collected $12.75 from potKJs, called 1 extra bet from BB. Hit top pair good kicker bet out- 2,318 callers. Queen turned, assumed my K was still good. Get reraised, probably someone who went Q happy. Should I have re-reraised? (the outcome sucked, too. Didn't put him on AK though, he didn't reraise preflop. Figured my J was good againstany K but schub's)[/quote]Preflop looked good. Reraise the turn was BAD. Just call down from there.[quote name='NormanHaupt]Dealt to NormanHaupt [6d 4d]bob536: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25TouchMe52: calls $0.25helrazer: folds  Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: calls $0.15ibara: checks  *** FLOP *** [2h Kh 6s]ndsapp: checks  ibara: checks  bob536: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  TouchMe52: bets $0.25Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: folds  ibara: folds  bob536: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2h Kh 6s] [7c]bob536: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  TouchMe52: bets $0.50Hefnz: folds  bob536: folds  NormanHaupt: folds  TouchMe52 collected $2.50 from potTouchMe52: shows [2s 3s] (a pair of Deuces)One gapper I called with.. left over from playing NL I think. Hit middle pair with crappy kicker. I call last hoping for improvement. If I hit my card I would check' date=' let the guy to my left bet, let them all call and reraise. If not, I could fold. Good plan?[/quote']Fold preflop. Fold on the flop.[quote name='NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [8c 8h]dig riggs: calls $0.25IMTheWalrus8: folds  PRESTON62: calls $0.25xTBONEx: folds  L.A. VIC: folds  fingers35: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25allstarz: calls $0.15Hefnz: checks  *** FLOP *** [8s 4d 5h]allstarz: checks  Hefnz: checks  dig riggs: checks  PRESTON62: checks  fingers35: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.25allstarz: folds  Hefnz: folds  dig riggs: folds  PRESTON62: calls $0.25fingers35: folds  *** TURN *** [8s 4d 5h] [2s]PRESTON62: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.50PRESTON62: folds  NormanHaupt collected $2 from potWith a blank flop like this.. how would you guys feel about slow playing? Maybe letting someone hit paint and think I'm weak?[/quote]well played.[quote=NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Tc As]Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25JTP-HS: calls $0.25lotsogold: folds  drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: calls $0.25steveed3: calls $0.15digs13: raises $0.25 to $0.50Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25JTP-HS: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: calls $0.25steveed3: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Jh 5c Ac]steveed3: checks  digs13: checks  Murdogg20: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.25angiomel: folds  JTP-HS: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: folds  steveed3: calls $0.25digs13: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Jh 5c Ac] [7h]steveed3: checks  digs13: bets $0.50Murdogg20: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50JTP-HS: calls $0.50drwho717: folds  steveed3: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jh 5c Ac 7h] [6h]steveed3: checks  digs13: checks  Murdogg20: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.50JTP-HS: folds  steveed3: folds  digs13: raises $0.50 to $1Murdogg20: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***digs13: shows [Ad 8s] (a pair of Aces)NormanHaupt: shows [Tc As] (a pair of Aces - Ten kicker)Should I have slowed down any with so  many callers? I get paranoid when people just call along. Assumed they were on a club draw or had J's.[/quote]Fold preflop. Everything else looked good.[quote=NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [9h 7c]NormanHaupt: checks  picoagi: calls $0.25ace1won: folds  sitting: folds  jim3099: checks  *** FLOP *** [4c 6d 7h]jim3099: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25picoagi: folds  *** TURN *** [4c 6d 7h] [Qd]jim3099: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds  jim3099 collected $1.45 from potjim3099: doesn't show hand  *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $1.45 | Rake $0  Board [4c 6d 7h Qd]Seat 2: NormanHaupt folded on the TurnSeat 6: picoagi folded on the FlopSeat 8: ace1won (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: sitting (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 10: jim3099 (big blind) collected ($1.45)Top pair.. get bet into there' date=' but I call. Bets into me again. What do you think of that fold? Had a feeling of trips.[/quote']You can't have a feeling trips, bro. :-) The pot's small, so it's either raise or fold. I'de raise but it's been said that i'm a little too aggressive at times.[quote name='NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qs Js]ace1won joins the table at seat #8  98FLHRC: folds  civicsi2726: folds  jerry-777: folds  picoagi: folds  Seth Cowen: folds  sitting: folds  boredbrain: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks  *** FLOP *** [Th 3h Ts]boredbrain: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50boredbrain: folds  NormanHaupt collected $1 from potNormanHaupt is sitting outNormanHaupt: doesn't show hand I wasn't lying when I said people raise with nothing.[/quote]Raise preflop.[quote=NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qh Th]NormanHaupt: calls $0.2598FLHRC: folds  jerry-777: folds  jerry-777 is sitting outpicoagi: calls $0.25sitting: calls $0.15korney11: checks  *** FLOP *** [2c Kh Ac]civicsi2726 joins the table at seat #4  sitting: checks  korney11: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  picoagi: bets $0.25sitting: calls $0.25korney11: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2c Kh Ac] [6h]sitting: checks  korney11: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  picoagi: bets $0.50sitting: calls $0.50korney11: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [2c Kh Ac 6h] [4h]sitting: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  picoagi: checks  *** SHOW DOWN ***sitting: shows [Ts Ks] (a pair of Kings)NormanHaupt: shows [Qh Th] (a flush' date=' King high)[/b']This is a funny had. Called QTh thought about a straight. Then thought about a flush on the turn. Hit it on the river. I was right to call on the flop, right?[/quote]Nope. You only have 5.5 outs. Fold on the flop...Bet the damn river....why did you check?[quote name='NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qd Qs]jaclar leaves the tablehandyman63: calls $0.25Feelin Bad: calls $0.25wildfan1 is connected  spitgame09: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.75Hefnz: folds  wildcard0877: folds  wildfan1 has returnedservice-1: folds  ndsapp joins the table at seat #4  painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: calls $0.50Feelin Bad: calls $0.50spitgame09: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [4s 6h Ks]painter12: checks  handyman63: checks  Feelin Bad: bets $0.25spitgame09: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.25painter12: calls $0.25handyman63: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [4s 6h Ks] [Jd]painter12: checks  handyman63: checks  Feelin Bad: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: folds  *** RIVER *** [4s 6h Ks Jd] [5h]painter12: checks  Feelin Bad: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50painter12: folds  *** SHOW DOWN ***Feelin Bad: shows [4d 6c] (two pair' date=' Sixes and Fours)NormanHaupt: mucks hand  [/b']I really hate QQ. Should IU have rolled over on the flop with that K out there? Reraised?[/quote]Fold on the turn. Probably should fold on the flop, but the pot is really big and if you spike a Q on the turn you have much implied odds.[quote name='NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Th Ts]wildfan1: raises $0.25 to $0.50service-1: folds  jaclar: folds  painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: calls $0.50Feelin Bad: calls $0.50spitgame09: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.50Hefnz: folds  wildcard0877: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Jh 2c 2h]wildcard0877: checks  wildfan1: bets $0.25painter12: folds  handyman63: calls $0.25Feelin Bad: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: folds  wildcard0877: folds  *** TURN *** [Jh 2c 2h] [9h]wildfan1: bets $0.50handyman63: folds  Feelin Bad: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jh 2c 2h 9h] [3h]wildfan1: bets $0.50Feelin Bad: raises $0.50 to $1wildfan1: calls $0.50 and is all-in*** SHOW DOWN ***Feelin Bad: shows [3c Kh] (a flush' date=' King high)wildfan1: mucks hand [/b']Dispite the 3flush on the tur.. what did you think of the flop fold?  [/quote]Flop fold is fine. 3-bet preflop.[quote name='NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kc Kh]NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50angiomel: folds  lotsogold: calls $0.50Seabiskit: folds  dayankkeboy: calls $0.40digs13: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [2c 6d 8d]dayankkeboy: checks  digs13: checks  NormanHaupt: bets $0.25lotsogold: calls $0.25dayankkeboy: calls $0.25digs13: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2c 6d 8d] [Qd]dayankkeboy: bets $0.50digs13: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50lotsogold: folds  *** RIVER *** [2c 6d 8d Qd] [5h]dayankkeboy: bets $0.50digs13: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***dayankkeboy: shows [5d 3d] (a flush' date=' Queen high)[/b']KK, bet on that flop. Soemone bets when a Q pops. Worired about the flush.. should I have folded? Was I right to string along?[/quote]well played.[quote name='NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ah Tc]helrazer: folds  NormanHaupt: checks  eljobe: calls $0.25jimdog99: calls $0.25helrazer leaves the tabledig riggs: calls $0.25xTBONEx: folds  Bambidoo: folds  ndsapp: checks  *** FLOP *** [Qh 9s Ts]fingers35 joins the table at seat #1  ndsapp: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25eljobe: calls $0.25jimdog99: calls $0.25dig riggs: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Qh 9s Ts] [7c]ndsapp: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  eljobe: checks  jimdog99: checks  dig riggs: checks  *** RIVER *** [Qh 9s Ts 7c] [Kh]ndsapp: checks  NormanHaupt: checks  eljobe: bets $0.50jimdog99: calls $0.50dig riggs: folds  dig riggs is sitting outndsapp: folds  NormanHaupt: folds  *** SHOW DOWN ***eljobe: shows [Jc As] (a straight' date=' Ten to Ace)[/b']This is another one of those pain in the ass hands. Flopped second pair with a strong kicker. Should I have called the bet? reraised it? Should I have bet the turn when he checked? Should I have folded? (straight wasn't much of a possibility to me)[/quote]Fold on the turn.[quote name='NormanHaupt][b]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kd Ks]pamelot: calls $0.25Rosie66: calls $0.25matt279: folds  ndsapp: folds  puto69: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50damom: folds  Strangefate: folds  chuck MC: calls $0.25pamelot: calls $0.25Rosie66: calls $0.25puto69: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [9d Ah 4h]chuck MC: checks  pamelot: bets $0.25Rosie66: folds  puto69: folds  NormanHaupt: calls $0.25chuck MC: folds  *** TURN *** [9d Ah 4h] [6s]pamelot: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [9d Ah 4h 6s] [3s]pamelot: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***pamelot: shows [Ad 3d] (two pair' date=' Aces and Threes)[/b']I can't get away from KK. Should I reraise that flop? Fold? blah.. reoccuring theme.[/quote]Got to learn to fold those big pairs, bro. BTW, posting anywhere other than the cut off is -EV. If you hop in a game, wait for the BB. Seriously, it really is -EV.

[Smasharoo]

Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qs Ts]Hefnz: foldsBilly Mass: calls $0.25IMTheWalrus8: foldsMr Coca Cola: foldsxTBONEx: raises $0.25 to $0.50L.A. VIC: foldsGray Goblin: calls $0.50fingers35: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.40jholt: calls $0.25Billy Mass: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [4c Ks Jd]NormanHaupt: checksjholt: checksBilly Mass: bets $0.25xTBONEx: calls $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Raise for value.jholt: folds*** TURN *** [4c Ks Jd] [3c]NormanHaupt: checksBilly Mass: checksxTBONEx: checksGray Goblin: checks*** RIVER *** [4c Ks Jd 3c] [Th]NormanHaupt: checksBilly Mass: bets $0.50xTBONEx: foldsGray Goblin: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***Billy Mass: shows [Td Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)Honestly.. should I have folded? He bet when my card hit, May have been a straight but I didn't figure. If he hit a pair of T's I figured I had him with my Q kicker. What do you think? Still had my straight draw, too.Well, your implied odds are pretty good if the striahgt comes in on the Delta (the sixth board card). Of course you should have folded. Raise the flop, though. Maybe he folds and you win this with the pair of tens. See, the benefits of raising the flop for value never end!Dealt to NormanHaupt [Js 4s]Sunfish: foldsruk2: calls $0.25jfbII joins the table at seat #3Murdogg20: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks*** FLOP *** [9d 7h Kd]Murdogg20: checksNormanHaupt: checksruk2: checks*** TURN *** [9d 7h Kd] [4d]Murdogg20: checksNormanHaupt: checksruk2: checks*** RIVER *** [9d 7h Kd 4d] [Kc]Murdogg20: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50ruk2: folds*** SHOW DOWN ***Murdogg20: shows [8c 8s] (two pair, Kings and Eights)Hi, you've got *bottom pair* in a miniscule pot. You need this call to be winning like 40% of the time for this to be a good play.This a bad call, too? hit my 4's.. I'm callig these marginal hands I should be folding, I think.I think you're right.Dealt to NormanHaupt [8c 8d]fingers35: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.25jholt: calls $0.25Hefnz: foldsBilly Mass: foldsIMTheWalrus8: foldsMr Coca Cola: foldsxTBONEx: foldsL.A. VIC: foldsGray Goblin: checks*** FLOP *** [Ad 4s 5h]Gray Goblin: checksNormanHaupt: checksjholt: bets $0.25Gray Goblin: foldsNormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50I love you man, and I know you have an IQ of 132 and everything, but this is a play a retarded monkey makes. Let it go man. You're playing for the set. That's the value. You're not playing to raise it when an ace hits the board in a game where people play any hand with an ace in it.jholt: raises $0.25 to $0.75NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Ad 4s 5h] [Qh]NormanHaupt: checksjholt: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: foldsjholt collected $2.35 from potjholt: doesn't show handOk.jholt had bluffed at a couple pots- I reraised him figuring he hit bottom pair. That Q didn't help. What did you guys think about this play?I think it's horrible.Either call him down or not. Re-raising a LAG and then folding is just giving him more money. *Of course he's going to keep betting, that's what LAGs do!*Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ks Ac]Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25TeamQC: foldsBILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50d4ysl3epr: calls $0.50SooperGloo: foldsSooperGloo leaves the tablejl3939: foldsSchmenky: foldsSchub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [9s 4h Qh]Schub: checksMVISholder: checksBILLSPOT: checksmnjaved: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.25d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [9s 4h Qh] [Jd]Schub: checksMVISholder: checksBILLSPOT: checksmnjaved: checksNormanHaupt: checksd4ysl3epr: checks*** RIVER *** [9s 4h Qh Jd] [3h]Schub: checksMVISholder: checksBILLSPOT: bets $0.50mnjaved: foldsNormanHaupt: foldsd4ysl3epr: foldsSchub: calls $0.50MVISholder: folds*** SHOW DOWN ***BILLSPOT: shows [8h Qd] (a pair of Queens)Good.I haave serious problems with AK. This is a setandard hand. Miss / check to me / bet. I can't help it. Someone want to explain the proper way to play AK to me, please?You played it.It allways feels screwed up no matter how you play it.If I bet preflop and its checked to me, and I check, I automatically get raised. Its a given. I can never put people on hands because I figure they're raising my weakness.When you miss the flop with it multiway it's a weak 6 out draw. It's like a gutshot with one overcard, *but weaker*. You played this one fine. Dealt to NormanHaupt [Tc Ks]Schmenky: foldsSchub: calls $0.25MVISholder: foldsTeamQC: foldsBILLSPOT: foldsmnjaved: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Folds. This should say folds, right?Don't call raises with KT, even when you're in the BB or just posted. The fact that you just posted doesn't make this guys hand any worse, does it?d4ysl3epr: foldsSooperGloo: foldsjl3939: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [2s 7s Kh]jl3939: checksSchub: bets $0.25mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.75jl3939: foldsSchub: calls $0.50mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $1Betting is cappedNormanHaupt: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25You're killing me, man.No one's going to accuse of not being aggressive enough, I guess. Calling two cold here is pretty bad, three-betting it is scary bad.Come on, you know this stuff.*** TURN *** [2s 7s Kh] [Ah]Schub: checksmnjaved: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: foldsSchub: calls $0.50Whats up with being hyper-agressive on the flop and then folding the turn?*** RIVER *** [2s 7s Kh Ah] [Qh]Schub: checksmnjaved: bets $0.50Schub: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***mnjaved: shows [Kc Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)k I was clearly beaten here.. but I was in the BB. I'm told if I'm raised in the BB, call with whatever hand I would normally call with. This right?Here's what you need to. Find the person who told you to call with anything in the BB, call out to him, let's assume he's named Bob. Say to him "Hey Bob! Yeah, Bob, it's me Norman. Come here, Iwanted to talk to you about what you told me about calling raises in the Big Blind in holdem." Then take a blank peice peice of paper out of your pocket and look at it. If Bob hasn't come near yet, beckon to him with the paper and say "I have this hand here, come take a look."When he's about 5 feet away from you, kick him in the balls. I also hear KTo is a huge money sinkhole. What about this?It's playable onthe button or in the CO. It's not a great hand.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ts Qs]lottsdollar: calls $0.25Murdogg20: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.15Sunfish: checks*** FLOP *** [Kc 6d 8c]NormanHaupt: checksSunfish: checkslottsdollar: checks*** TURN *** [Kc 6d 8c] [Tc]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50Sunfish: calls $0.50lottsdollar: folds*** RIVER *** [Kc 6d 8c Tc] [5c]NormanHaupt: checksSunfish: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: foldsSunfish collected $1.75 from potMeh, I might call this and see the club. Folding's ok, but I'd probably look him up 4 handed.How do you feel folding to a three flush? Betting T's on the turn after the flop checked? Need a lot of help on this play.It's fine 4 handed.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ah 4h]NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Hefnz: foldsBilly Mass: foldsIMTheWalrus8: foldsxTBONEx: foldsL.A. VIC: foldsGray Goblin: calls $0.15fingers35: checks*** FLOP *** [Td 6h Ad]Gray Goblin: checksfingers35: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25fingers35: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Td 6h Ad] [5d]Gray Goblin: checksfingers35: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50Gray Goblin: raises $0.50 to $1fingers35: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Td 6h Ad 5d] [Jd]Gray Goblin: bets $0.50fingers35: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***Gray Goblin: shows [2d Kd] (a flush, Ace high)fingers35: mucks handNormanHaupt: mucks handGray Goblin collected $6.50 from potFine. Messy hand, but you're ok.This one.. A4s hit my A's. Bet out and get reraised. I call with caution hoping to catch another A or 4 or heart. I get none of it. Should I have folded automatically to the third diamond? How about on the reraise?Meh, all close and not realy important. In a pot this size with this many people you played it fine. Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kh Kc]ndsapp: calls $0.25Misterman: calls $0.25nealarm joins the table at seat #5NormanHaupt: calls $0.15Hefnz: checks*** FLOP *** [Ah 2s 7d]NormanHaupt: bets $0.25Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: raises $0.25 to $0.50Misterman: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds*** TURN *** [Ah 2s 7d] [5c]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50ndsapp: raises $0.50 to $1Misterman: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Ah 2s 7d 5c] [6h]NormanHaupt: checksndsapp: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***ndsapp: shows [Ad 2d] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)Not rasing this pre-flop sucks.It's ok to check the turn if you decide you want to check/call this down. I probably check/fold the turn, but again, it's close in a loose low limit game.I'm having a serious problem with KK, QQ, JJ when something hits above it. I can't get away. This is a premium example. I play at loose tables where people seem to bet with any pair. Should I tighten up when an overcard hits and someone bets? (I mistakenly didn't rease preflop, four tabling.. blah)It's not realy that bad. You're losing about a thousand times more money calling raises in the BB with junk than you are playing this line with KK.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Td Qc]angiomel: calls $0.25lotsogold: foldsETrain12: foldsSunfish: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks*** FLOP *** [7h Th Jh]Murdogg20: checksNormanHaupt: checksangiomel: bets $0.25Sunfish: foldsMurdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50angiomel: raises $0.25 to $0.75Murdogg20: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.25Did someone tell you to raise any flop where you connect at all?In case you didn't see it at the time, you don't have a heart. Or top pair. Or a usefull draw. Or any fold equity at all to a bet and a cold call.*** TURN *** [7h Th Jh] [Ac]NormanHaupt: checksangiomel: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: foldsHuh?You have a gutshot to the nut straight and you *might* have some fold equity on the river against the Kh.Hete you see.. going nuts again with second pair. Maybe I'm not believing people whe they bet in limit.. should I be folding this automatically instead of reraising to prove they got it?Um, yes. You're not making them prove they've got it, you're teaching them that if three-bet you on a flop you'll fold the turn.Dealt to NormanHaupt [9c 9d]NormanHaupt: calls $0.25ibara leaves the tableHefnz: foldsndsapp: foldsbob536: calls $0.15Misterman: checks*** FLOP *** [As 2c 6s]bob536: checksMisterman: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.25bob536: calls $0.25Misterman: folds*** TURN *** [As 2c 6s] [6d]bob536: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.50bob536: foldsNormanHaupt collected $1.25 from potYou're a brave man unafraid of critisism.Check the flop.Betting into an A on the flop with a caller. What do you think of this? He checked and I bet again.. may have been a check raise, or weakness. I hadn'ta clue at the time.This is an important hand for you.Important. Because when you win hands like this it messes with your head and makes you play other hands the way you do.When you win a hand like this one through agression it tends to stick in your head and you keep doing it when you're just spewing chips away because your brain remembers doing it here and being rewarded.Dealt to NormanHaupt [4c 8c]lotsogold: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: foldsdigs13: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.15angiomel: checks*** FLOP *** [Jc 8s 7d]NormanHaupt: checksangiomel: checkslotsogold: checksdrwho717: checksdigs13: checksMurdogg20: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25lotsogold: foldsdrwho717: foldsdigs13: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Jc 8s 7d] [8d]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50drwho717 leaves the tableangiomel: calls $0.50digs13: foldsMurdogg20: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jc 8s 7d 8d] [Kh]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50angiomel: foldsMurdogg20: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***NormanHaupt: shows [4c 8c] (three of a kind, Eights)Fold the flop.another iffy call. I find myself calling with second pair to try and catch a third or two pair on the turn. Is this spewing chips? Implied odds say if I hit I'll get some callers because of the betting.Depends on the pot size and how many players are in with you, but ussually. It is here, for sure. Dealt to NormanHaupt [Jc Kc]d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25Who Cut 1: foldsabrash: calls $0.25Schmenky: foldsSchub: raises $0.25 to $0.50MVISholder: calls $0.50TeamQC: calls $0.50BILLSPOT: foldsmnjaved: calls $0.40NormanHaupt: calls $0.25d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25abrash: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [8h Ks 4d]mnjaved: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.25d4ysl3epr: foldsabrash: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25TeamQC: foldsmnjaved: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [8h Ks 4d] [Qd]mnjaved: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.50abrash: raises $0.50 to $1Schub: calls $1MVISholder: calls $1mnjaved: calls $1NormanHaupt: raises $0.50 to $1.50abrash: calls $0.50Schub: calls $0.50MVISholder: calls $0.50mnjaved: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [8h Ks 4d Qd] [4s]mnjaved: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.50abrash: foldsSchub: foldsMVISholder: foldsmnjaved: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***NormanHaupt: shows [Jc Kc] (two pair, Kings and Fours)mnjaved: shows [Kd As] (two pair, Kings and Fours - Ace kicker)mnjaved collected $12.75 from potWhat are you thinking on the turn??KJs, called 1 extra bet from BB.That's OK. Hit top pair good kicker bet out- 2,318 callers. Queen turned, assumed my K was still good. Get reraised, probably someone who went Q happy.Bad analysis.It's probably someone who had two pair and waited until the turn to raise, or just hit two pair. Not everyone playing .35/.50 is an idiot, just most people, and most of them don't randomly raise the turn when they hit second pair. Should I have re-reraised?Um, no. (the outcome sucked, too. Didn't put him on AK though, he didn't reraise preflop. Figured my J was good againstany K but schub's)A lot of people *limp* with AK. Even more don't tree-bet it.Dealt to NormanHaupt [6d 4d]bob536: calls $0.25Hi. You have nothing, fold.NormanHaupt: calls $0.25TouchMe52: calls $0.25helrazer: foldsHefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: calls $0.15ibara: checks*** FLOP *** [2h Kh 6s]ndsapp: checksibara: checksbob536: checksNormanHaupt: checksTouchMe52: bets $0.25Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: foldsibara: foldsbob536: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25[/b]Hi You have nothing, fold.*** TURN *** [2h Kh 6s] [7c]bob536: checksNormanHaupt: checksTouchMe52: bets $0.50Hefnz: foldsbob536: foldsNormanHaupt: foldsTouchMe52 collected $2.50 from potTouchMe52: shows [2s 3s] (a pair of Deuces)One gapper I called with.. left over from playing NL I think. Hit middle pair with crappy kicker. I call last hoping for improvement. If I hit my card I would check, let the guy to my left bet, let them all call and reraise. If not, I could fold. Good plan?I'm starting to think you made these up just to **** with me. Dealt to NormanHaupt [8c 8h]dig riggs: calls $0.25IMTheWalrus8: foldsPRESTON62: calls $0.25xTBONEx: foldsL.A. VIC: foldsfingers35: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25allstarz: calls $0.15Hefnz: checks*** FLOP *** [8s 4d 5h]allstarz: checksHefnz: checksdig riggs: checksPRESTON62: checksfingers35: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.25allstarz: foldsHefnz: foldsdig riggs: foldsPRESTON62: calls $0.25fingers35: folds*** TURN *** [8s 4d 5h] [2s]PRESTON62: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.50PRESTON62: foldsNormanHaupt collected $2 from potFine.With a blank flop like this.. how would you guys feel about slow playing? Maybe letting someone hit paint and think I'm weak?Anyone with a 6 is drawing to a one card straight that beats you. This isn't the time to slowplay.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Tc As]Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25JTP-HS: calls $0.25lotsogold: foldsdrwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: calls $0.25steveed3: calls $0.15digs13: raises $0.25 to $0.50Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25JTP-HS: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: calls $0.25steveed3: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Jh 5c Ac]steveed3: checksdigs13: checksMurdogg20: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.25angiomel: foldsJTP-HS: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: foldssteveed3: calls $0.25digs13: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Jh 5c Ac] [7h]steveed3: checksdigs13: bets $0.50Murdogg20: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50JTP-HS: calls $0.50drwho717: foldssteveed3: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jh 5c Ac 7h] [6h]steveed3: checksdigs13: checksMurdogg20: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.50JTP-HS: foldssteveed3: foldsdigs13: raises $0.50 to $1Murdogg20: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***digs13: shows [Ad 8s] (a pair of Aces)NormanHaupt: shows [Tc As] (a pair of Aces - Ten kicker)Fine.Should I have slowed down any with so many callers? I get paranoid when people just call along. Assumed they were on a club draw or had J's.They're calling stations. They call. That's what they do. Dealt to NormanHaupt [9h 7c]NormanHaupt: checkspicoagi: calls $0.25ace1won: foldssitting: foldsjim3099: checks*** FLOP *** [4c 6d 7h]jim3099: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25picoagi: folds*** TURN *** [4c 6d 7h] [Qd]jim3099: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: foldsjim3099 collected $1.45 from potjim3099: doesn't show hand*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $1.45 | Rake $0Board [4c 6d 7h Qd]Seat 2: NormanHaupt folded on the TurnSeat 6: picoagi folded on the FlopSeat 8: ace1won (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: sitting (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 10: jim3099 (big blind) collected ($1.45)GoodTop pair.. get bet into there, but I call. Bets into me again. What do you think of that fold? Had a feeling of trips.I don't, but your hand sucks on the turn. The flop call s fine.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qs Js]ace1won joins the table at seat #898FLHRC: foldscivicsi2726: foldsjerry-777: foldspicoagi: foldsSeth Cowen: foldssitting: foldsboredbrain: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks*** FLOP *** [Th 3h Ts]boredbrain: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50boredbrain: foldsNormanHaupt collected $1 from potNormanHaupt is sitting outNormanHaupt: doesn't show handKnock that shit off, will you?Again, it's hands like this that mess with you and cause you to make much bigger mistakes. Money losing mistakes, on other hands. fold the flop.I wasn't lying when I said people raise with nothing.The part that you're missing is that they *also* raise with something and you're paying them off. That's bad. Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qh Th]NormanHaupt: calls $0.2598FLHRC: foldsjerry-777: foldsjerry-777 is sitting outpicoagi: calls $0.25sitting: calls $0.15korney11: checks*** FLOP *** [2c Kh Ac]civicsi2726 joins the table at seat #4sitting: checkskorney11: checksNormanHaupt: checkspicoagi: bets $0.25sitting: calls $0.25korney11: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Not a bad place to raise for a free card. You'd really like to see a free card here much of the time, you have a lot of draws.*** TURN *** [2c Kh Ac] [6h]sitting: checkskorney11: checksNormanHaupt: checkspicoagi: bets $0.50sitting: calls $0.50korney11: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [2c Kh Ac 6h] [4h]sitting: checksNormanHaupt: checkspicoagi: checks*** SHOW DOWN ***sitting: shows [Ts Ks] (a pair of Kings)NormanHaupt: shows [Qh Th] (a flush, King high)Not betting this river makes Doyle squeeze out an extra kidney stone.Bet it. This is a funny had. Called QTh thought about a straight. Then thought about a flush on the turn. Hit it on the river. I was right to call on the flop, right?Yes.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qd Qs]jaclar leaves the tablehandyman63: calls $0.25Feelin Bad: calls $0.25wildfan1 is connectedspitgame09: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.75Hefnz: foldswildcard0877: foldswildfan1 has returnedservice-1: foldsndsapp joins the table at seat #4painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: calls $0.50Feelin Bad: calls $0.50spitgame09: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [4s 6h Ks]painter12: checkshandyman63: checksFeelin Bad: bets $0.25spitgame09: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.25painter12: calls $0.25handyman63: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [4s 6h Ks] [Jd]painter12: checkshandyman63: checksFeelin Bad: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: folds*** RIVER *** [4s 6h Ks Jd] [5h]painter12: checksFeelin Bad: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50painter12: folds*** SHOW DOWN ***Feelin Bad: shows [4d 6c] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)NormanHaupt: mucks handFine. Ugly, but fine.I really hate QQ. Should IU have rolled over on the flop with that K out there? Reraised?You played it fine, don't be results oriented.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Th Ts]wildfan1: raises $0.25 to $0.50service-1: foldsjaclar: foldspainter12: calls $0.50handyman63: calls $0.50Feelin Bad: calls $0.50spitgame09: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.50Hefnz: foldswildcard0877: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Jh 2c 2h]wildcard0877: checkswildfan1: bets $0.25painter12: foldshandyman63: calls $0.25Feelin Bad: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: foldswildcard0877: folds*** TURN *** [Jh 2c 2h] [9h]wildfan1: bets $0.50handyman63: foldsFeelin Bad: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jh 2c 2h 9h] [3h]wildfan1: bets $0.50Feelin Bad: raises $0.50 to $1wildfan1: calls $0.50 and is all-in*** SHOW DOWN ***Feelin Bad: shows [3c Kh] (a flush, King high)wildfan1: mucks handMeh.Dispite the 3flush on the tur.. what did you think of the flop fold?It's ok. Calling's proabbly ok too. As is rasing. It's close.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kc Kh]NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50angiomel: foldslotsogold: calls $0.50Seabiskit: foldsdayankkeboy: calls $0.40digs13: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [2c 6d 8d]dayankkeboy: checksdigs13: checksNormanHaupt: bets $0.25lotsogold: calls $0.25dayankkeboy: calls $0.25digs13: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2c 6d 8d] [Qd]dayankkeboy: bets $0.50digs13: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50lotsogold: folds*** RIVER *** [2c 6d 8d Qd] [5h]dayankkeboy: bets $0.50digs13: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***dayankkeboy: shows [5d 3d] (a flush, Queen high)Fine.KK, bet on that flop. Soemone bets when a Q pops. Worired about the flush.. should I have folded? Was I right to string along?YeahDealt to NormanHaupt [Ah Tc]helrazer: foldsNormanHaupt: checkseljobe: calls $0.25jimdog99: calls $0.25helrazer leaves the tabledig riggs: calls $0.25xTBONEx: foldsBambidoo: foldsndsapp: checks*** FLOP *** [Qh 9s Ts]fingers35 joins the table at seat #1ndsapp: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25eljobe: calls $0.25jimdog99: calls $0.25dig riggs: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Qh 9s Ts] [7c]ndsapp: checksNormanHaupt: checkseljobe: checksjimdog99: checksdig riggs: checks*** RIVER *** [Qh 9s Ts 7c] [Kh]ndsapp: checksNormanHaupt: checkseljobe: bets $0.50jimdog99: calls $0.50dig riggs: foldsdig riggs is sitting outndsapp: foldsNormanHaupt: folds*** SHOW DOWN ***eljobe: shows [Jc As] (a straight, Ten to Ace)Fine.This is another one of those pain in the ass hands. Flopped second pair with a strong kicker. Should I have called the bet? reraised it? Should I have bet the turn when he checked? Should I have folded? (straight wasn't much of a possibility to me)You played this one ok. Maybe through blind luck, but you played it ok.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kd Ks]pamelot: calls $0.25Rosie66: calls $0.25matt279: foldsndsapp: foldsputo69: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50damom: foldsStrangefate: foldschuck MC: calls $0.25pamelot: calls $0.25Rosie66: calls $0.25puto69: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [9d Ah 4h]chuck MC: checkspamelot: bets $0.25Rosie66: foldsputo69: foldsNormanHaupt: calls $0.25chuck MC: folds*** TURN *** [9d Ah 4h] [6s]pamelot: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [9d Ah 4h 6s] [3s]pamelot: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***pamelot: shows [Ad 3d] (two pair, Aces and Threes)Fine.I can't get away from KK. Should I reraise that flop? Fold? blah.. reoccuring theme.Eh, what are you going to do. You could fold KK everytime an ace flops and you're shown agression, but I doubt it's +EV at this limit. It'd be simple, though.

[NormanHaupt]

Wow, thanks for the great posts. I know Akishore and Allin are going to chime in too. I guess I need to tighten up a lot. I still don't feel right betting a flop with AK that totally misses, ad I still have trouble laying down hands. Someone said "Pump ir or dump it" and maybe I take it too litterally.I knw better, I really do in a lot of these cases. I could argue that four tabling did some of this.. but the fact is when I'm sitting here playing, it all goes out the window. I mean, I know what most of the starting hands are (I go by the loose list too much, instead of the tight one, I think)Anyway, thanks again, Smash.Tomorow I'm going to post some more. I'm going to chill a little with my NL I'm spewing money entirely too much and its totally ruining my BR.

[wrto4556]

Hi, I didn't realize the pot was big enough to see the turn with QhTh.I was tired last night. Said fold the turn when everyone checked...oops.

[TheMathProf]

[n00b opinion]The one thing that I noticed among the hands you've posted, Norman, is the betting/raising when you've got a pocket pair and an overcard hits.It might be one thing to do it with queens or kings to isolate and/or figure out where you're at. When you've got a hand like 88, though, I like it a lot less especially when it's the ace or maybe the king that has hit, because (1) everybody and his uncle stays in with any ace, including some who have no right doing so, but also (2) because the odds of ANOTHER overcard coming on the turn are reasonably high, and now you're stuck with trying to figure out where you're at all over again. If you've got kings and you raise and figure that you're reasonably good, it's hard to imagine a turn card that could really threaten that (you may be deceiving yourself, but that's another issue). If you've got 8's with an A on the board, and then a Q comes, now you don't know if it was the Ace that had you, or somebody just waiting around for a queen. Are you going to call now? You didn't, but it seems like half the time, you're going to run into this situation where you have a tough decision to make.Also, I can't imagine that there are very many hands at all that are worth calling two bets cold. Seems like most of them are either fold/raise.[/n00b opinion]

[NormanHaupt]

lol hey, Math, how you doing?Remember these were 23 hands out of 400. I fixed a lot of the advice tonight and I seem to be +EV a lot more now. I've toned down my aggression folding unless I've got top stuff. I'm sure I've been bluffed out of pots.. but, maybe I can't win them all.

[TheMathProf]

I'm doing good. I've had an awesome day of +130 BB at the .05/.10 limit tables today and counting. Gotta love a fantastic rush.I know what you mean about some of these things go. I had a tremendous gaping leak that I opened up in my game about a week ago and then tilted in response by betting/raising AK on every single street. :)It didn't help that I convinced myself I misplayed two hands that I didn't actually misplay anywhere near as badly as I thought (darned result-oriented thinking!)Anyway, it's always a good feeling when you get things back to normal. Glad you're finding your way there.

[NormanHaupt]

You bet. Crunched some numbers today- thinking I might have the BR to do this professionally for a couple months this summer between jobs if I want

[JFarrell20]

I glance at two hands and saw big flaws. the first hand you should have raised with an OESD due to the fact that you'll hit it 1/3 of the time and you have a 4-person pot.on the 88 hand why didn't you bet out on the flop instead of Check-raising 1 guy???I didn't look at everything but it looks like you have leaks in your game and probably lose 1-2 BB/hour

[akishore]

Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qs Ts]Hefnz: folds Billy Mass: calls $0.25IMTheWalrus8: folds Mr Coca Cola: folds xTBONEx: raises $0.25 to $0.50L.A. VIC: folds Gray Goblin: calls $0.50fingers35: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.40jholt: calls $0.25Billy Mass: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [4c Ks Jd]NormanHaupt: checks jholt: checks Billy Mass: bets $0.25xTBONEx: calls $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25jholt: folds *** TURN *** [4c Ks Jd] [3c]NormanHaupt: checks Billy Mass: checks xTBONEx: checks Gray Goblin: checks *** RIVER *** [4c Ks Jd 3c] [Th]NormanHaupt: checks Billy Mass: bets $0.50xTBONEx: folds Gray Goblin: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***Billy Mass: shows [Td Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Tens)Honestly.. should I have folded? He bet when my card hit, May have been a straight but I didn't figure. If he hit a pair of T's I figured I had him with my Q kicker. What do you think? Still had my straight draw, too.Bad call pre-flop. Also bad call on the river. Other than that, fine.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Js 4s]Sunfish: folds ruk2: calls $0.25jfbII joins the table at seat #3 Murdogg20: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks *** FLOP *** [9d 7h Kd]Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: checks ruk2: checks *** TURN *** [9d 7h Kd] [4d]Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: checks ruk2: checks *** RIVER *** [9d 7h Kd 4d] [Kc]Murdogg20: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50ruk2: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***Murdogg20: shows [8c 8s] (two pair, Kings and Eights)This a bad call, too? hit my 4's.. I'm callig these marginal hands I should be folding, I think.this is debatable. the pot was small, so no need to call. on the other hand, you're heads-up, and this might just be a stab at the pot. honestly, not sure, i'd swing either way.Dealt to NormanHaupt [8c 8d]fingers35: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.25jholt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds Billy Mass: folds IMTheWalrus8: folds Mr Coca Cola: folds xTBONEx: folds L.A. VIC: folds Gray Goblin: checks *** FLOP *** [Ad 4s 5h]Gray Goblin: checks NormanHaupt: checks jholt: bets $0.25Gray Goblin: folds NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50jholt: raises $0.25 to $0.75NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Ad 4s 5h] [Qh]NormanHaupt: checks jholt: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds jholt collected $2.35 from potjholt: doesn't show hand jholt had bluffed at a couple pots- I reraised him figuring he hit bottom pair. That Q didn't help. What did you guys think about this play?if you're against a bluffer, call him down with marginal hands, and raise him with good hands. this wasn't a good hand, it was marginal, so if you felt you were ahead, only call the flop. then call him down to the river.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ks Ac]Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25TeamQC: folds BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50d4ysl3epr: calls $0.50SooperGloo: folds SooperGloo leaves the tablejl3939: folds Schmenky: folds Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [9s 4h Qh]Schub: checks MVISholder: checks BILLSPOT: checks mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25BILLSPOT: calls $0.25mnjaved: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [9s 4h Qh] [Jd]Schub: checks MVISholder: checks BILLSPOT: checks mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: checks d4ysl3epr: checks *** RIVER *** [9s 4h Qh Jd] [3h]Schub: checks MVISholder: checks BILLSPOT: bets $0.50mnjaved: folds NormanHaupt: folds d4ysl3epr: folds Schub: calls $0.50MVISholder: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***BILLSPOT: shows [8h Qd] (a pair of Queens)I haave serious problems with AK. This is a setandard hand. Miss / check to me / bet. I can't help it. Someone want to explain the proper way to play AK to me, please?If I bet preflop and its checked to me, and I check, I automatically get raised. Its a given. I can never put people on hands because I figure they're raising my weakness.you played it fine. pre-flop raise is fine, flop lead is fine, turn check is fine, river fold is fine. sometimes you miss, what can you do. for future reference, if someone bets on the turn, call. you have 3 outs for overcards (subtract 3 outs from 6 outs because one of your overcards might be shared) plus 7 outs for the gutshot, the pot is so big that you have correct odds to chase the draw.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Tc Ks]Schmenky: folds Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: folds TeamQC: folds BILLSPOT: folds mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25d4ysl3epr: folds SooperGloo: folds jl3939: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [2s 7s Kh]jl3939: checks Schub: bets $0.25mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.75jl3939: folds Schub: calls $0.50mnjaved: raises $0.25 to $1Betting is cappedNormanHaupt: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2s 7s Kh] [Ah]Schub: checks mnjaved: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds Schub: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [2s 7s Kh Ah] [Qh]Schub: checks mnjaved: bets $0.50Schub: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***mnjaved: shows [Kc Ac] (two pair, Aces and Kings)k I was clearly beaten here.. but I was in the BB. I'm told if I'm raised in the BB, call with whatever hand I would normally call with. This right? I also hear KTo is a huge money sinkhole. What about this?[/i]pre-flop call was fine, but flop play was bad. it's bet and raised in front of you, so you're either against an overpair or top pair better kicker. i would either fold or cold-call, probably lean towards folding. turn fold was fine since he showed continued aggression.[/i]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ts Qs]lottsdollar: calls $0.25Murdogg20: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.15Sunfish: checks *** FLOP *** [Kc 6d 8c]NormanHaupt: checks Sunfish: checks lottsdollar: checks *** TURN *** [Kc 6d 8c] [Tc]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50Sunfish: calls $0.50lottsdollar: folds *** RIVER *** [Kc 6d 8c Tc] [5c]NormanHaupt: checks Sunfish: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds Sunfish collected $1.75 from potHow do you feel folding to a three flush? Betting T's on the turn after the flop checked? Need a lot of help on this play.[/i]i would call the river, but this is debatable. i generally am not a fan of folding on the river unless you have a busted draw. while this is the microlimits, a good player will be capable of making a play representing a flush here, and it's catastrophic to fold to one bet in a big pot. the thing is, this wasn't a big pot (4.5xBB), so this is debatable.[/i]Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ah 4h]NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds Billy Mass: folds IMTheWalrus8: folds xTBONEx: folds L.A. VIC: folds Gray Goblin: calls $0.15fingers35: checks *** FLOP *** [Td 6h Ad]Gray Goblin: checks fingers35: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25fingers35: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Gray Goblin: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Td 6h Ad] [5d]Gray Goblin: checks fingers35: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50Gray Goblin: raises $0.50 to $1fingers35: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Td 6h Ad 5d] [Jd]Gray Goblin: bets $0.50fingers35: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***Gray Goblin: shows [2d Kd] (a flush, Ace high)fingers35: mucks hand NormanHaupt: mucks hand Gray Goblin collected $6.50 from potThis one.. A4s hit my A's. Bet out and get reraised. I call with caution hoping to catch another A or 4 or heart. I get none of it. Should I have folded automatically to the third diamond? How about on the reraise?don't limp with Axs UTG. SSHE says one of the two biggest mistakes you can make is playing marginal/speculative hands out of position. if you get raised, you lose a lot of money in the long run. anyway, the bet on the flop was fine, but when it got raised, you should check-fold on the turn. someone obviously has an ace (implying better kicker) or making a flush free card play, and either way, you're beat on the turn. fold the turn with marginal hands because that's when the limit doubles, and that's when your backdoor draws either disappear or improve, and in this case your backdoor draw disappeared.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kh Kc]ndsapp: calls $0.25Misterman: calls $0.25nealarm joins the table at seat #5 NormanHaupt: calls $0.15Hefnz: checks *** FLOP *** [Ah 2s 7d]NormanHaupt: bets $0.25Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: raises $0.25 to $0.50Misterman: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.25Hefnz: folds *** TURN *** [Ah 2s 7d] [5c]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50ndsapp: raises $0.50 to $1Misterman: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Ah 2s 7d 5c] [6h]NormanHaupt: checks ndsapp: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***ndsapp: shows [Ad 2d] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)I'm having a serious problem with KK, QQ, JJ when something hits above it. I can't get away. This is a premium example. I play at loose tables where people seem to bet with any pair. Should I tighten up when an overcard hits and someone bets? (I mistakenly didn't rease preflop, four tabling.. blah)ok, preflop call is understandable if it was an honest mistake. flop lead is debatable since it's four-way. if it was three-way, leading out would be more understandable, but four-way is the line. five-way i would definitely check-fold. when you get raised on the flop, you have to know you're beat... check-fold the turn. don't get greedy with high PP when an overcard flops, you have to lay them down.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Td Qc]angiomel: calls $0.25lotsogold: folds ETrain12: folds Sunfish: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks *** FLOP *** [7h Th Jh]Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: checks angiomel: bets $0.25Sunfish: folds Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50angiomel: raises $0.25 to $0.75Murdogg20: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [7h Th Jh] [Ac]NormanHaupt: checks angiomel: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds Hete you see.. going nuts again with second pair. Maybe I'm not believing people whe they bet in limit.. should I be folding this automatically instead of reraising to prove they got it?yes, auto-fold on flop. you have second pair, you have no heart. what are you doing check-raising? believe people's bets in limit.Dealt to NormanHaupt [9c 9d]NormanHaupt: calls $0.25ibara leaves the tableHefnz: folds ndsapp: folds bob536: calls $0.15Misterman: checks *** FLOP *** [As 2c 6s]bob536: checks Misterman: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25bob536: calls $0.25Misterman: folds *** TURN *** [As 2c 6s] [6d]bob536: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50bob536: folds NormanHaupt collected $1.25 from potBetting into an A on the flop with a caller. What do you think of this? He checked and I bet again.. may have been a check raise, or weakness. I hadn'ta clue at the time. this hand was played just fine. lead out if it's checked to you and there's only one overcard. if no one raises, lead out again on the turn if it's checked to you again and no scare card hits. while the paired 6 is somewhat of a scare card, there's no harm leading out, though i might be inclined to check simply because someone might be in check-call mode with a weak ace.Dealt to NormanHaupt [4c 8c]lotsogold: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: folds digs13: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.15angiomel: checks *** FLOP *** [Jc 8s 7d]NormanHaupt: checks angiomel: checks lotsogold: checks drwho717: checks digs13: checks Murdogg20: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25lotsogold: folds drwho717: folds digs13: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Jc 8s 7d] [8d]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50drwho717 leaves the tableangiomel: calls $0.50digs13: folds Murdogg20: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jc 8s 7d 8d] [Kh]NormanHaupt: bets $0.50angiomel: folds Murdogg20: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***NormanHaupt: shows [4c 8c] (three of a kind, Eights)another iffy call. I find myself calling with second pair to try and catch a third or two pair on the turn. Is this spewing chips? Implied odds say if I hit I'll get some callers because of the betting.yes, it's spewing chips. you're mixing up odds a little... you really have only 3.5 outs (someone could already have two pair or better, so another 4 might not be good, thus you assign only 1.5 outs to a 4 instead of 3 outs). plus, someone could have the straight, or a set, etc., and your trip 8's might not even be good. so you subtract one out, and you're left with only 2.5 outs--the pot almost never offers 20-1 to justify that call. it's definitely spewing chips, drop second pairs and worse in multiway pots. with OES draws, gutshot draws, and flush draws, your outs are clean since they'll usually leave you with the best hand, but with these iffy two-pair/trip draws, your outs aren't always clean.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Jc Kc]d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25Who Cut 1: folds abrash: calls $0.25Schmenky: folds Schub: raises $0.25 to $0.50MVISholder: calls $0.50TeamQC: calls $0.50BILLSPOT: folds mnjaved: calls $0.40NormanHaupt: calls $0.25d4ysl3epr: calls $0.25abrash: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [8h Ks 4d]mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25d4ysl3epr: folds abrash: calls $0.25Schub: calls $0.25MVISholder: calls $0.25TeamQC: folds mnjaved: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [8h Ks 4d] [Qd]mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50abrash: raises $0.50 to $1Schub: calls $1MVISholder: calls $1mnjaved: calls $1NormanHaupt: raises $0.50 to $1.50abrash: calls $0.50Schub: calls $0.50MVISholder: calls $0.50mnjaved: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [8h Ks 4d Qd] [4s]mnjaved: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50abrash: folds Schub: folds MVISholder: folds mnjaved: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***NormanHaupt: shows [Jc Kc] (two pair, Kings and Fours)mnjaved: shows [Kd As] (two pair, Kings and Fours - Ace kicker)mnjaved collected $12.75 from potKJs, called 1 extra bet from BB. Hit top pair good kicker bet out- 2,318 callers. Queen turned, assumed my K was still good. Get reraised, probably someone who went Q happy. Should I have re-reraised? (the outcome sucked, too. Didn't put him on AK though, he didn't reraise preflop. Figured my J was good againstany K but schub's)don't three-bet the turn. a raise on that turn usually means two pair or better (though in this case, the raiser folded on the river). also don't lead out on the flop. even though the best hand was extremely passive in this hand, i would have called the turn raise and check-called the river.Dealt to NormanHaupt [6d 4d]bob536: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25TouchMe52: calls $0.25helrazer: folds Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: calls $0.15ibara: checks *** FLOP *** [2h Kh 6s]ndsapp: checks ibara: checks bob536: checks NormanHaupt: checks TouchMe52: bets $0.25Hefnz: calls $0.25ndsapp: folds ibara: folds bob536: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2h Kh 6s] [7c]bob536: checks NormanHaupt: checks TouchMe52: bets $0.50Hefnz: folds bob536: folds NormanHaupt: folds TouchMe52 collected $2.50 from potTouchMe52: shows [2s 3s] (a pair of Deuces)One gapper I called with.. left over from playing NL I think. Hit middle pair with crappy kicker. I call last hoping for improvement. If I hit my card I would check, let the guy to my left bet, let them all call and reraise. If not, I could fold. Good plan?questionable call in early position, quite questionable actually. play these speculative hands in late position, not in early position. if it gets raised, it's a catastrophic mistake for you in the long run. also, drop it on the flop. just get in that habit... looking for improvement with second pair and worse is a losing proposition in the long run. also, not all of your outs were clean... the 6h and 4h would complete a possible flush, and another 6 might give someone the boat.Dealt to NormanHaupt [8c 8h]dig riggs: calls $0.25IMTheWalrus8: folds PRESTON62: calls $0.25xTBONEx: folds L.A. VIC: folds fingers35: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25allstarz: calls $0.15Hefnz: checks *** FLOP *** [8s 4d 5h]allstarz: checks Hefnz: checks dig riggs: checks PRESTON62: checks fingers35: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25allstarz: folds Hefnz: folds dig riggs: folds PRESTON62: calls $0.25fingers35: folds *** TURN *** [8s 4d 5h] [2s]PRESTON62: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50PRESTON62: folds NormanHaupt collected $2 from potWith a blank flop like this.. how would you guys feel about slow playing? Maybe letting someone hit paint and think I'm weak?this hand is played fine. sometimes you just get small pots because people don't hit. i wouldn't slowplay this hand at all, i would play it the exact same. potentially, if everyone would call the flop, you've gained a LOT of bets, which you will be losing if you slowplay. also, there is a possible straight and straight draw on the board, make people pay to draw. you don't get paid off sometimes... it sucks, but it happens. you played this hand fine.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Tc As]Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25JTP-HS: calls $0.25lotsogold: folds drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: calls $0.25steveed3: calls $0.15digs13: raises $0.25 to $0.50Murdogg20: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25angiomel: calls $0.25JTP-HS: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: calls $0.25steveed3: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Jh 5c Ac]steveed3: checks digs13: checks Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25angiomel: folds JTP-HS: calls $0.25drwho717: calls $0.25Sunfish: folds steveed3: calls $0.25digs13: calls $0.25Murdogg20: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Jh 5c Ac] [7h]steveed3: checks digs13: bets $0.50Murdogg20: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50JTP-HS: calls $0.50drwho717: folds steveed3: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jh 5c Ac 7h] [6h]steveed3: checks digs13: checks Murdogg20: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.50JTP-HS: folds steveed3: folds digs13: raises $0.50 to $1Murdogg20: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***digs13: shows [Ad 8s] (a pair of Aces)NormanHaupt: shows [Tc As] (a pair of Aces - Ten kicker)Should I have slowed down any with so many callers? I get paranoid when people just call along. Assumed they were on a club draw or had J's.raise the turn. if you get three-bet, call and check-call the river. you were the flop aggressor, so you want to remain the aggressor on the turn when a fairly safe card hits. the river completed a potential backdoor, so i might have checked isntead of bet, but i think betting out was fine.Dealt to NormanHaupt [9h 7c]NormanHaupt: checks picoagi: calls $0.25ace1won: folds sitting: folds jim3099: checks *** FLOP *** [4c 6d 7h]jim3099: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25picoagi: folds *** TURN *** [4c 6d 7h] [Qd]jim3099: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: folds jim3099 collected $1.45 from potjim3099: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot $1.45 | Rake $0 Board [4c 6d 7h Qd]Seat 2: NormanHaupt folded on the TurnSeat 6: picoagi folded on the FlopSeat 8: ace1won (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: sitting (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 10: jim3099 (big blind) collected ($1.45)Top pair.. get bet into there, but I call. Bets into me again. What do you think of that fold? Had a feeling of trips.i don't think this was a good hand at all. heads-up, top pair is golden. raise that flop! if you get three-bet, call and check-call to showdown. more often than not, that top pair was probably good.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qs Js]ace1won joins the table at seat #8 98FLHRC: folds civicsi2726: folds jerry-777: folds picoagi: folds Seth Cowen: folds sitting: folds boredbrain: calls $0.15NormanHaupt: checks *** FLOP *** [Th 3h Ts]boredbrain: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50boredbrain: folds NormanHaupt collected $1 from potNormanHaupt is sitting outNormanHaupt: doesn't show hand I wasn't lying when I said people raise with nothing.this hand was heads-up. your other hands were six-way pots. when people bet into six-way pots and you have nothing, it doesn't matter if they have nothing, folding is right because someone else has something. here, raising was fine to take a stab at the pot. i might have even raised pre-flop since you were heads-up in position with a hand that will be ahead heads-up more often than not.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qh Th]NormanHaupt: calls $0.2598FLHRC: folds jerry-777: folds jerry-777 is sitting outpicoagi: calls $0.25sitting: calls $0.15korney11: checks *** FLOP *** [2c Kh Ac]civicsi2726 joins the table at seat #4 sitting: checks korney11: checks NormanHaupt: checks picoagi: bets $0.25sitting: calls $0.25korney11: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2c Kh Ac] [6h]sitting: checks korney11: checks NormanHaupt: checks picoagi: bets $0.50sitting: calls $0.50korney11: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [2c Kh Ac 6h] [4h]sitting: checks NormanHaupt: checks picoagi: checks *** SHOW DOWN ***sitting: shows [Ts Ks] (a pair of Kings)NormanHaupt: shows [Qh Th] (a flush, King high)This is a funny had. Called QTh thought about a straight. Then thought about a flush on the turn. Hit it on the river. I was right to call on the flop, right?4 SB in the pot pre-flop. you get a gutshot and backdoor on the flop. unfortunately, the Jc might give someone a straight, so you only have 3 GSD outs and 1.5 BFD outs, leaving you with 4.5 outs. your pot odds are 7-1 at that point, and you need around 9-1, but with implied odds, it's a fine call since you only need to sneak in one BB on the turn or river to make it profitable. turn gives you a total of 11 outs now, and the pot is offering you 6-1. you need only 3-1, so i would raise here for value. don't slowplay the river when you hit, a lot of people will check through... bet there for value.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Qd Qs]jaclar leaves the tablehandyman63: calls $0.25Feelin Bad: calls $0.25wildfan1 is connected spitgame09: raises $0.25 to $0.50NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.75Hefnz: folds wildcard0877: folds wildfan1 has returnedservice-1: folds ndsapp joins the table at seat #4 painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: calls $0.50Feelin Bad: calls $0.50spitgame09: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [4s 6h Ks]painter12: checks handyman63: checks Feelin Bad: bets $0.25spitgame09: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.25painter12: calls $0.25handyman63: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [4s 6h Ks] [Jd]painter12: checks handyman63: checks Feelin Bad: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: folds *** RIVER *** [4s 6h Ks Jd] [5h]painter12: checks Feelin Bad: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50painter12: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***Feelin Bad: shows [4d 6c] (two pair, Sixes and Fours)NormanHaupt: mucks hand I really hate QQ. Should IU have rolled over on the flop with that K out there? Reraised?either fold the flop or raise the flop for information. if someone cold-calls behind you, they have a K or a spade draw. if you get three-bet, you are beat and can check-fold the turn. if you get called, you can check the turn (effectively saving you money from having to call another bet on the turn like you did). don't be passive, be aggressive. it gives you information and allows you to make better laydowns and earns you bigger pots. in this hand, i would have folded the flop. sometimes your QQ doesn't hit and the flop comes A-K-x, what can you do.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Th Ts]wildfan1: raises $0.25 to $0.50service-1: folds jaclar: folds painter12: calls $0.50handyman63: calls $0.50Feelin Bad: calls $0.50spitgame09: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50Hefnz: folds wildcard0877: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [Jh 2c 2h]wildcard0877: checks wildfan1: bets $0.25painter12: folds handyman63: calls $0.25Feelin Bad: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: folds wildcard0877: folds *** TURN *** [Jh 2c 2h] [9h]wildfan1: bets $0.50handyman63: folds Feelin Bad: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [Jh 2c 2h 9h] [3h]wildfan1: bets $0.50Feelin Bad: raises $0.50 to $1wildfan1: calls $0.50 and is all-in*** SHOW DOWN ***Feelin Bad: shows [3c Kh] (a flush, King high)wildfan1: mucks hand Dispite the 3flush on the tur.. what did you think of the flop fold? i might have three-bet pre-flop but maybe not. debatable. the flop fold was perfect.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kc Kh]NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50angiomel: folds lotsogold: calls $0.50Seabiskit: folds dayankkeboy: calls $0.40digs13: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [2c 6d 8d]dayankkeboy: checks digs13: checks NormanHaupt: bets $0.25lotsogold: calls $0.25dayankkeboy: calls $0.25digs13: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [2c 6d 8d] [Qd]dayankkeboy: bets $0.50digs13: calls $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50lotsogold: folds *** RIVER *** [2c 6d 8d Qd] [5h]dayankkeboy: bets $0.50digs13: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***dayankkeboy: shows [5d 3d] (a flush, Queen high)KK, bet on that flop. Soemone bets when a Q pops. Worired about the flush.. should I have folded? Was I right to string along?played this hand fine. calling down on the turn when the flush hit was fine, don't raise there and don't fold there.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Ah Tc]helrazer: folds NormanHaupt: checks eljobe: calls $0.25jimdog99: calls $0.25helrazer leaves the tabledig riggs: calls $0.25xTBONEx: folds Bambidoo: folds ndsapp: checks *** FLOP *** [Qh 9s Ts]fingers35 joins the table at seat #1 ndsapp: bets $0.25NormanHaupt: calls $0.25eljobe: calls $0.25jimdog99: calls $0.25dig riggs: calls $0.25*** TURN *** [Qh 9s Ts] [7c]ndsapp: checks NormanHaupt: checks eljobe: checks jimdog99: checks dig riggs: checks *** RIVER *** [Qh 9s Ts 7c] [Kh]ndsapp: checks NormanHaupt: checks eljobe: bets $0.50jimdog99: calls $0.50dig riggs: folds dig riggs is sitting outndsapp: folds NormanHaupt: folds *** SHOW DOWN ***eljobe: shows [Jc As] (a straight, Ten to Ace)This is another one of those pain in the ass hands. Flopped second pair with a strong kicker. Should I have called the bet? reraised it? Should I have bet the turn when he checked? Should I have folded? (straight wasn't much of a possibility to me)drop second pair on the flop.Dealt to NormanHaupt [Kd Ks]pamelot: calls $0.25Rosie66: calls $0.25matt279: folds ndsapp: folds puto69: calls $0.25NormanHaupt: raises $0.25 to $0.50damom: folds Strangefate: folds chuck MC: calls $0.25pamelot: calls $0.25Rosie66: calls $0.25puto69: calls $0.25*** FLOP *** [9d Ah 4h]chuck MC: checks pamelot: bets $0.25Rosie66: folds puto69: folds NormanHaupt: calls $0.25chuck MC: folds *** TURN *** [9d Ah 4h] [6s]pamelot: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** RIVER *** [9d Ah 4h 6s] [3s]pamelot: bets $0.50NormanHaupt: calls $0.50*** SHOW DOWN ***pamelot: shows [Ad 3d] (two pair, Aces and Threes)I can't get away from KK. Should I reraise that flop? Fold? blah.. reoccuring theme.[/quote]again, either fold the flop (what i would do) or raise for information. if you get three-bet, you're beat and can check-fold the turn. if you get called, you check the turn since you want a cheap showdown. regardless, if you get bet at on the turn, fold. sometimes overcards land, you have to have the discipline to fold your pocket pairs.good luck,aseem

[NormanHaupt]

JFarrell20 said:

I glance at two hands and saw big flaws. the first hand you should have raised with an OESD due to the fact that you'll hit it 1/3 of the time and you have a 4-person pot.on the 88 hand why didn't you bet out on the flop instead of Check-raising 1 guy???I didn't look at everything but it looks like you have leaks in your game and probably lose 1-2 BB/hour

Yeah thanks for the ****ing vote of confidence. Was it necessary to post a comment like that here?

[Smasharoo]

Yeah thanks for the censored vote of confidence. Was it necessary to post a comment like that here?I think he was seeing it as a vision of hope that some-day he'd only loose that much.You know, a sort of "Of he can do it, so can I!" kind of thing.