9 replies to this topic

[Absolute]

DISCLAIMER: this is one of the last hands of my session. i had been up 24 hours and was very exhausted. i had a very good session and was closing up here at a VERY loose table on Party. so instead of calling me an idiot, just tell me where I should fold.Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP2 with Ad, Js. UTG calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls.Here? Flop: (12.50 SB) Tc, 6s, Ks (4 players)BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO folds.Or here? Turn: (7.75 BB) Jd (3 players)BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.Or here?River: (10.75 BB) 9c (3 players)BB bets, Hero folds, BB calls.Final Pot: 14.75 BBHow late was this fold?

[KDawgCometh]

definetly the flop. Now I go to bed

[wrto4556]

UGH. That's nasty.You can't fold for one more bet preflop.On the flop you are getting 13-1(?) on a 10.5-1 draw, easy call.The turn you pick up more outs (although they may not be good...you only have 4 outs to KK). I'll estimate and give you 6 outs...so you need 7-1, which you are clearly getting. So folding the turn is bad.On the river you miss everything and it's 2BB to you, easy fold. You played it rigt.

[wrto4556]

KDawgCometh said:

definetly the flop. Now I go to bed

You can't fold on that flop...you do need to go to bed.

[KDawgCometh]

oops, didn't notice the gutshot on the flop. Yeah the river was fine. Yeah I'm a little loopy right now, a mixture of being seriously over tired and sick

[Smasharoo]

You played it fine, you're priced in the whole way.

[Absolute]

These were my thoughts at the time.I thought the turn call was a little loose though.The reason I don't like this in hindsight is because if an ace falls I am paying off A-K or K-K, which eliminate a lot of my outs.

[Absolute]

If he has K-K, which is possible given how he has played it, I am not getting priced.I suppose the conclusion is one can't assume such things.

[Smasharoo]

The reason I don't like this in hindsight is because if an ace falls I am paying off A-K or K-K, which eliminate a lot of my outs.You likely have at least 5 outs, 3 to the nuts and are getting 6 to 1 to call and are almost guranteed one more on the river when you hit and can fold when you miss. So while you should have 8 to 1ish you're probably getting two more when you complete (or more). Pretty easy call.Also consider raising this flop in position there. You might get three-bet, which makes your turn call easier, but you might get a free card on the turn if you knock the button out.Situational, obviously, but a play to have around for lagish pots like this.

[Smasharoo]

If he has K-K, which is possible given how he has played it, I am not getting priced.I suppose the conclusion is one can't assume such things.It's in the range of hands he could have, but it's not the hand he has most of the time.