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[Aces_Up]

I reviewed my session in reverse order, so this was actually the first hand I had played. No previous hands against villian. Thought about leading the flop with flush draw against 3 opponents. C/R good on turn? Bet on river good, or just spewing?


PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, T.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 5, 8, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, Button calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB

[BuffDan]

First, I probably fold preflop, even though its a button raise and we are in the BB, its still just T7s.

On the flop, I think your line is fine but I can see leading out or checkraising, either for equity or to maybe possibly make our ten out good; I just never know when to do these things, but top pair doesn't look like a great out and there isn't much equity, so check calling does seem good to me.

On the turn, I do not ever c/r here as we only have 2nd pair on a fairly coordinated board, but I might be too weak-tight.

The river I don't know at all; I want to lean towards c/c to give the button a chance to bluff ace high or whatever, but that is if we only called the turn. Since we raised the turn and a fairly harmless card fell, I think betting the river is ok, but then I think we have to fold to a raise (something I like to say in principle but probably never actually do in practice).

[Aces_Up]

Thanks for the reply BuffDan. Looking back at the hand after reading your reply I had to really think about why I C/R the turn. I think sometimes I play hands like this with blinders on. I convince myself that the opponent has two high cards and play the hand too aggressively.

If I'm reading your reply correctly, you are saying that if you call pre-flop your line is C/C all the way down? Anyone else have any comments on the best line here, or is this good?

[Actuary]

eh... I like it all.

SH game BB is an auto call with T7s in a 4 handed pot.

given relative pos, you can c/r flop but after SB folds the flop c/c is better, being OOP. I don't think clearing up you T outs is worth the c/r

turn c/r looks good to me. Button has unpaired overs a lot here, and you can get UTG out. Big pot

River bet is nice.
With no turn 3-bet, you are ahead a lot and a AK/AQ SH will call here enough.

A read on villan is important for river.
I'd say we are a small underdog if villan bets or calls a bet.
Most villans call with more hands than they bet.
But he may check behind many hands that beat us (scared by our turn play) while taking a stab with hands that missed, overs/flush draw, etc.

So..now I say c/c River is good unless he is really loose/passive player that always calls with Ace high here and won't raise sometihn like JJ because you scared him

[Zach6668]

I like it.

I'm a big fan of c/c the river these days as well. I seem to get a lot of monkeys betting with just garbage hands.

- Zach

[BuffDan]

If I'm reading your reply correctly, you are saying that if you call pre-flop your line is C/C all the way down?

That is my line, although it seems like the c/r turn line has more favor here. To those advocating c/r the turn, what do we do to a 3 bet? I assume call and c/f the river UI? Also, if we were heads up here, would it still be a c/r on the turn, or it the checkraise mainly to get UTG out? I think I am having a reluctance to put more bets in the big bet rounds, so I am curious about this phenomena in general.

[Actuary]

if we are 3 bet, for sure we call. Flush draw mandates it

HU c/r still good, but even better now.

[antistuff]

Checkraise that flop.

[Actuary]

Checkraise that flop.

why?

I disagree

[antistuff]

why?

I disagree

because its 5 handed you have to play more hands and be more aggressive with them

kidding

well he thinks that his 7 and 10 are outs, as is the flush, and you have backdoor straights in both directions that will get there sometime.

i guess im thinking that you can semibluff this and take it down enough on the turn plus you will improve to the best hand enough to make this a slightly better play. i wish i knew how to figure out how often this has to work to make putting in the extra bets behind worth it.

as it went i guess the button doesnt fold Ax, so if that is what youve noticed before then trying this is dumb.

maybe i do stuff like this too much.