Thinking Things Through (1/2)

[CobaltBlue 662]

Bodog 1/2 NLHE (9-handed)MP3 $163Cobalt $323Cobalt is BB w/ 9 9 . Unfortunately, no significant reads.Pre-flop:4 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Cobalt checksFlop ($5): 8 4 7 (2 players)Cobalt bets $3, MP3 min-raises to $6, Cobalt re-raises to $17, MP3 callsTurn ($45): 6 (2 players)Cobalt bets $28, MP3 callsRiver ($101): K (2 players)Cobalt checks, MP3 bets $101, Cobalt callsFinal Pot: $303Anyone want to take a stab at my thought process throughout this hand?

[Scott3705 0]

Bodog 1/2 NLHE (9-handed)MP3 $163Cobalt $323Cobalt is BB w/ 9 9 . Unfortunately, no significant reads.Pre-flop:4 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Cobalt checksFlop ($5): 8 4 7 (2 players)Cobalt bets $3, MP3 min-raises to $6, Cobalt re-raises to $17, MP3 callsTurn ($45): 6 (2 players)Cobalt bets $28, MP3 callsRiver ($101): K (2 players)Cobalt checks, MP3 bets $101, Cobalt callsFinal Pot: $303Anyone want to take a stab at my thought process throughout this hand?

Preflop. no need to raise OOP hereFLOP: I probably have the best hand, let's bet.... I might be crushed, but the min bet could also be a draw or a feeler bet w/ a bare 8. Reraise and then we can get away.turn: we have the best hand let's bet.River: he's not going to call if we're ahead and he's not going to fold if we're behind. Maybe he'll bluff.

[fckthis 0]

preflop-oop, and if I hit its disguisedflop-lets see if you hit sir. Hmm, min raise, lets see how strong.turn-gutter to the nutter? Nope, I bet.river-hmm, he couldve had a fd with a K. Im going to call his bet hoping that my check induced a bluff.Hope Im not way off.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Preflop. no need to raise OOP hereFLOP: I probably have the best hand, let's bet.... I might be crushed, but the min bet could also be a draw or a feeler bet w/ a bare 8. Reraise and then we can get away.turn: we have the best hand let's bet.River: he's not going to call if we're ahead and he's not going to fold if we're behind. Maybe he'll bluff.

Good Analysis.Ac-5c is a reasonable hand here though and it hurts us pretty bad.Board is a bit-draw heavy for me to feel comfy with a big river bet being a bluff.

[CobaltBlue 662]

Y'all analyzed it pretty well.Basically, from the way the action came down, he's got to have the flush draw. An overpair, set, or straight would've likely put in another raise on the flop or turn. On the river, a good pair is unlikely to bet for value on such a scary board. With his bet being so big, it appears that our opponent isn't making a value bet and likely thinks he has to bet to win.The only somewhat plausible hands that we're worried about are Ac5c (though I think he'd raise the turn or bet less on the river) or Kcxc (though again...he'd probably check or bet less on the river). I think we're likely going to see a busted flush draw or a worse pair here a significant number of times.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Y'all analyzed it pretty well.Basically, from the way the action came down, he's got to have the flush draw. An overpair, set, or straight would've likely put in another raise on the flop or turn. On the river, a good pair is unlikely to bet for value on such a scary board. With his bet being so big, it appears that our opponent isn't making a value bet and likely thinks he has to bet to win.The only somewhat plausible hands that we're worried about are Ac5c (though I think he'd raise the turn or bet less on the river) or Kcxc (though again...he'd probably check or bet less on the river). I think we're likely going to see a busted flush draw or a worse pair here a significant number of times.

Do you think a made hand (set or straight) on the flop would've played it the same too? Your flop reraise really discounts any flush draw...

[CobaltBlue 662]

Do you think a made hand (set or straight) on the flop would've played it the same too? Your flop reraise really discounts any flush draw...

You're saying the flop re-raise gave flush draws a good price or should've gotten rid of them?I think a made hand plays it faster (on the flop or turn).

[DonkSlayer 1]

You're saying the flop re-raise gave flush draws a good price or should've gotten rid of them?I think a made hand plays it faster (on the flop or turn).

No, I was saying YOUR reraise makes me know you don't have a flush. But, thinking more, you would be playing about the same had you flopped a straight or set yourself, right?

[gooch 0]

With you in the BB and a naked 5 giving you a straight, the only hand I think he could have been playing for would have been the flush. Though your check could have given him the go ahead to bet his K if he thought you only had a pair

No, I was saying YOUR reraise makes me know you don't have a flush.

I have seen it from the odd tricky player

[CobaltBlue 662]

But, thinking more, you would be playing about the same had you flopped a straight or set yourself, right?

Definitely. That's why I think he's got to be drawing to something that beats a made hand.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I guess it doesn't matter, but I totally forgot to wrap this one up, which I like to do for the sake of completion. Villain had Ac 3c and was quite pissed that I called. "What if I had a king?!"

[gooch 0]

I guess it doesn't matter, but I totally forgot to wrap this one up, which I like to do for the sake of completion. Villain had Ac 3c and was quite pissed that I called. "What if I had a king?!"

You think he would have called a raise on the river?

[bdc30 0]

You think he would have called a raise on the river?

Considering (by my count) he already had 95% of his stackin the hand, I'm thinking he would have had to, but really, he's only got $15 left by this point....lol

[gooch 0]

Considering (by my count) he already had 95% of his stackin the hand, I'm thinking he would have had to, but really, he's only got $15 left by this point....lol

I wasn't paying attention to that part, too used to the comp doing it for me I guess