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[Mattnxtc]

Villain is TAg 24/10Full Tilt PokerNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.25/$0.505 playersConverterStack sizes:Hero: $157.80CO: $45.95Button: $37.70SB: $89.85BB: $41.25Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with K K Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: 2 T J ($4, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $9, Hero ????

[fckthis]

Calls and pushes a non club turn.

[Mattnxtc]

i edited the post..disregard what was written

[The Bwaves]

fckthis, on Friday, June 9th, 2006, 9:40 AM, said:

Calls and pushes a non club turn.

[irishguy]

I think it depends what your image is to villian. I really wouldn't put him on a draw as I don't think you will see drawing hands check raise all that much. If he thinks you are lag he may be in there with AJ. Obviously a set is a concern but at this level you will run into people who will play AJ, KJ like this or QQ, AA. I'd likely call here and re-evaluate on the turn. If he leads out the turn strong, I'd raise there then let it go if he pushes in. Why I'm choosing to go this line here as oppossed to reraise/jamming is that I think you can get more information by calling and seeing the turn. If he thinks you are lag his check-raising top pair has some merit. Its a draw heavy board and he really isn't forcing you out. I think he's vulnerable but lets be sure. He may just give up on the turn. And there is no harm in keeping the pot small with just one pair.

[Mattnxtc]

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I'd likely call here and re-evaluate on the turn. If he leads out the turn strong, I'd raise there then let it go if he pushes in.

I dotn agree with this at all. figure we have put in around 11 or so so farif villian leads with 20 more thats puttin us up at 31 to just call. if we even just mini raise to 40 that 51 total and villian could only push for 38 more and to not call that is wrong imoI dont actually know what happened in this hand but it came up on 2+2. they were advocating calling and then folding to a 20$ bet on the turn. I thought that was extremely weak tight and wanted to make sure.I actually felt we should raise this up to 30ish on the flop and take the hand back from him

[irishguy]

Mattnxtc, on Friday, June 9th, 2006, 5:10 PM, said:

I dotn agree with this at all. figure we have put in around 11 or so so farif villian leads with 20 more thats puttin us up at 31 to just call. if we even just mini raise to 40 that 51 total and villian could only push for 38 more and to not call that is wrong imoI dont actually know what happened in this hand but it came up on 2+2. they were advocating calling and then folding to a 20$ bet on the turn. I thought that was extremely weak tight and wanted to make sure.I actually felt we should raise this up to 30ish on the flop and take the hand back from him

You're right I didn't even see the stack sizes. I like the reraise on the flop in this case. Bumping to thirty should give you a very good idea of where you are here, as you said. The line of "push any non club turn" boggles me as imo without taking the hand back their are a lot of scare cards that could hit the turn other then clubs.With the check/raise I'd be more inclined to think set, top pair, two pair or huge draw....than just a flush draw. Reraise here and if he pushes decide whether he's the type to push with just top pair or a big draw.

[Scott3705]

PF aggression is more important here. It's 5 handed. C/Res here are going to often be draws, under pairs, jacks or tens. You're tremendously ahead of my general range here. (Tell me he never tried to pick off one of your c-bet's and maybe i'll change my mind). Raise to 30 and call a push.

Mattnxtc, on Friday, June 9th, 2006, 5:10 PM, said:

I dont actually know what happened in this hand but it came up on 2+2. they were advocating calling and then folding to a 20$ bet on the turn. I thought that was extremely weak tight and wanted to make sure.I actually felt we should raise this up to 30ish on the flop and take the hand back from him

2+2 posters in the low limit NL section are a bunch of weak tighties. Anyone who is going to take that line in a 5 handed game is an idiot.

[Mattnxtc]

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2+2 posters in the low limit NL section are a bunch of weak tighties. Anyone who is going to take that line in a 5 handed game is an idiot.

my thinkin exactly...i like to think im border line crazy aggressive at short handed with my big bets (i advocate gettin it all in a lot) and to be honest a couple people at 2+2 were genuinely pissed off at me for saying that a raise to 30 was optimal on the flop. In this hand I dont see anything about this hand that signals we have even close to kings yet. everything done preflop and on the flop is 100% standard and bumping it up to 30 lets the villian know that we arent messin around with this hand...Also lets him know we are willin to get it all in if necessary. I just awnted to make sure i wasnt crazy for how i was playing it. The way they play i wouldnt mind them at my table at all...I think you could steal on them left and right