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[A. Holmberg]

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: Bet The Pot)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [Kh].
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) [6s], [Ah], [2s] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) [8h] (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (23.25 BB) [Jd] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 29.25 BB

[Actuary]

why are you raising the river?

and when you answer that, keep in mind..why did you not cap the turn then?

I play it just like you did, except I don't raise the river.

any reads?

[Verdimme]

why are you raising the river?

and when you answer that, keep in mind..why did you not cap the turn then?

I play it just like you did, except I don't raise the river.

any reads?

And, post in the micro limit section. You will get more responses.

[A. Holmberg]

why are you raising the river?

and when you answer that, keep in mind..why did you not cap the turn then?

I play it just like you did, except I don't raise the river.

any reads?

I thought it over afterwards and i absolutely should've capped the turn, I get rather passive when played back at too much. As for the river, calling was the better play. I read them for a weaker Ace

[Actuary]

why do you think capping the turn is better? (try not to use the fact that you know the results)

[A. Holmberg]

And, post in the micro limit section. You will get more responses.

Sorry about that

[A. Holmberg]

why do you think capping the turn is better? (try not to use the fact that you know the results)

Results notwithstanding, it felt like they were calling with inferior hands (Any ace is gold syndrome). I'm waaaay too timid on the turn/river

[Actuary]

Once you are 3-bet and you see that your first raise did not fold the 3rd player, you can cap if you think it's for value.

To be for value, you have to win the hand 1/3 times or more.

Is it for value to cap the turn?

and MP2 wasn't calling.

[A. Holmberg]

Once you are 3-bet and you see that your first raise did not fold the 3rd player, you can cap if you think it's for value.

To be for value, you have to win the hand 1/3 times or more.

Is it for value to cap the turn?

and MP2 wasn't calling.

See, that's the stupid thing. I re-convinced myself that I was good on the river and value bet there rather than the turn like i should have...

[Actuary]

I like your thinking.

but for more thought.

lets say BB is drawing to 9 outs.. a Flush
Not much else makes sense..not that opponents make sense, but we can pretend.

He will outdraw us 20% of the time on the river.
For a turn cap to have value we need to assume both will call it (pretty fair assumption) and that we win 33% of the time.

So, if we are outdrawn 20%, then what % do we need to be ahead of MP2 now and not be outdrawn ( AJ ?) to have overall 33% ?

33 % = (1-20%) * X
X = 41.25%

imo, we are not aheah of a typical player that often here.
We 3bet preflop, capped flop, and he still 3-bets the turn

But...on the other hand.. what could he have better than us?
66 could raise second in from MP2. (sorta agressive preflop)
AK could play like this (sorta passive to not cap preflop)

AQ going ape on turn could do this

Combos of 66: 3
Combos of AK: 6
Combos of AQ: 8

so, i'm back to liking the cap on the turn, and expect to see AK a lot here.
THis looks like a villain that sees AK as just a drawing hand, and waits until the flop to go crazy, hence no preflop cap.

[A. Holmberg]

I like your thinking.

but for more thought.

lets say BB is drawing to 9 outs.. a Flush
Not much else makes sense..not that opponents make sense, but we can pretend.

He will outdraw us 20% of the time on the river.
For a turn cap to have value we need to assume both will call it (pretty fair assumption) and that we win 33% of the time.

So, if we are outdrawn 20%, then what % do we need to be ahead of MP2 now and not be outdrawn ( AJ ?) to have overall 33% ?

33 % = (1-20%) * X
X = 41.25%

imo, we are not aheah of a typical player that often here.
We 3bet preflop, capped flop, and he still 3-bets the turn

But...on the other hand.. what could he have better than us?
66 could raise second in from MP2. (sorta agressive preflop)
AK could play like this (sorta passive to not cap preflop)

AQ going ape on turn could do this

Combos of 66: 3
Combos of AK: 6
Combos of AQ: 8

so, i'm back to liking the cap on the turn, and expect to see AK a lot here.
THis looks like a villain that sees AK as just a drawing hand, and waits until the flop to go crazy, hence no preflop cap.

Want the results? BTW, do you play on stars?

[Actuary]

wait to post results as more educated and experiecned players are sure to come and help and blow my theories away!



no, I play on Party.

pm me the results, though!

[antistuff]

This is wierd because I can't think of anything he could have that beats you that makes sense. I guess it comes down to what you've seen from him. Does he normally raise things like a6 and a2 preflop from there? The problem is that if he is reasonable he isnt playing a hand this way that you beat (after the 3 bet on the turn), but he also wouldnt have a hand here that beats you (except maybe 66).

I used to play a lot at those limits, and I remember calling down things like this to find hands that made me scratch my head all the time. I missed a lot of value from just calling down.

[bobbywithani]

These tables are usually super soft. I mean I built my BR at them, but I still think you should not cap the turn. I don't like the river raise at all. Two pair is a big posibility now, and you want to get an overcall.

[Zach6668]

At .02/.04, this could be anything.

Any ace could raise PF, giving him 2 pair, or any PP giving him a set with whatever was on board.

I don't mind the way you played it.

If he 3-bets the turn, I'm not raising the river.

Flop is good, turn is fine, some may say just call down, but this could be something we beat enough for it to be something that crushes us, so a raise/call line is fine.


- Zach