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#1 Jadaki

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 06:49 AM

Series starts this Thursday and a new champion will be crowned this year.

This should be a interesting series because things that worked for these teams in the conference finals will not likely work in the finals.

Matchups:

Dirk will not be able to drive to the basket as freely as he did agaisnt the Suns with Shaq and Zo clogging the lane, so I wonder if he is going to resort to being a jump shooter again. Who on the Heat will guard this guy?

Who will guard Shaq? All the players that the Mav's couldnt play last series do to match problems will be required to come in and guard Shaq. Rested or Rusty?

Howard played great on both sides of the ball, but will likely get matched up vs Wade and that could very well be the matchup that decides the series. Keep an eye on Howard's fouls and how much time he can actually spend guarding Wade.

The pointguard matchup could be interesting, Williams vs Terry. I think the guy who has the least turnovers will really sway each game.

Coaching:

Riley vs Avery, experience vs the hot newcomer... lets see who pulls the correct moves to manipulate things.

Wildcards:

Jerry Stackhouse & Antoine Walker, both former #1 options on teams that now are key roleplayers, who will have the better series?



Prediction... I like the Heat to take it all. As improved as the Mavs defense is, there is no true anwser for a determined Shaq, and I don't think anyone can really shut down Wade. While everyone has a hard time shutting down Dirk, I don't think any of the Mavs secondary options are nearly as hard to defend.

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Posted 04 June 2006 - 09:41 AM

QUOTE (Jadaki @ Sunday, June 4th, 2006, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While everyone has a hard time shutting down Dirk, I don't think any of the Mavs secondary options are nearly as hard to defend.


That's the key to me. Its almost like "Dirk is gonna get his, lets shut down everyone else". If they do that the Heat will win the series.

I also agree with your point that Dirk will not be able to drive as much as he did against Phoenix. I know he's a great shooter, but I'd rather have him taking jumpshots than getting into the lane for and-1's.


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Posted 04 June 2006 - 03:21 PM

mavs in 6 easy

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 09:50 AM

QUOTE (Jadaki @ Sunday, June 4th, 2006, 7:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dirk will not be able to drive to the basket as freely as he did agaisnt the Suns with Shaq and Zo clogging the lane, so I wonder if he is going to resort to being a jump shooter again.

I don't know about this. Dirk isn't really a finish with authority type of guy anyway. He can get in the lane and still shoot a little fall away and make a high percentage. I don't think Shaq and Mourning will affect him that much. I think Dallas' D is still underrated and Miami will struggle to score. I'm going with Dallas in 6 too. (I'll be rooting for Miami though.)

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 10:21 AM

I cant believe how many people are picking the Heat to win (ESPN polls, radio, etc.). The Mavs to me are the clear favorite in this series
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Posted 05 June 2006 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE (kers2 @ Monday, June 5th, 2006, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cant believe how many people are picking the Heat to win (ESPN polls, radio, etc.). The Mavs to me are the clear favorite in this series



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#7 Jadaki

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE (kers2 @ Monday, June 5th, 2006, 1:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cant believe how many people are picking the Heat to win (ESPN polls, radio, etc.). The Mavs to me are the clear favorite in this series



Most the things I have seen have the Mavs picked to win.

QUOTE (Hobbes @ Monday, June 5th, 2006, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know about this. Dirk isn't really a finish with authority type of guy anyway. He can get in the lane and still shoot a little fall away and make a high percentage. I don't think Shaq and Mourning will affect him that much. I think Dallas' D is still underrated and Miami will struggle to score. I'm going with Dallas in 6 too. (I'll be rooting for Miami though.)


Dirk was finishing with authority vs the Suns, I guarantee he won't be doing that well with the and1's vs Miami. And better D or not, no one on the Mavs can guard the Heats top 2 options, if they get any production at all from other players they will give the Mavs headaches.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 02:28 PM

I'm picking the Heat in 6.

Dallas is the easy favorite here. They have the better record which in turn gives them home court advantage. So I'll explain why I'm picking the Heat.

The key to this whole series is Shaq. Dallas will no doubt try to run and wear Shaq out, but I dont think that's the biggest factor. Shaq's foul trouble will be critical. Dallas has enough penetrators to keep attacking the rim and get Shaq in foul trouble. So if the refs are calling those fouls (like they have been all season) and Dallas keeps getting to the rim, Shaq will spend a lot of time on the bench and the Mavs will win easy.

I think Riley is smart enough to realize what the Mavs are going to do and he will try counter it. Look for the guards to do everything to try and stop the penetration (even if it means fouling alot). The Heat will also try to control the boards to try and prevent the Mavs fastbreak opportunities. So by controlling the boards, they should be able to slow the game down to their pace. If they can do all that, then I think they can keep Shaq on the floor and effective, and they will win it in 6. They dont want to go 7 games here.

The Heat appear to be playing their best ball right now and seemed to have peaked at the right time. They arent the same team they were during the regular season.

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Posted 05 June 2006 - 10:22 PM

lets not overrate the Heat defense, the piston played like SHAT last series, missed open shots alllllll series

we have no real answer for shaq, thats fine

the heat have ZERO answer for dirk and howard, throw in terry and harris and the heat will have to pray we are off all series

Mavs in 6, MAYBE 5 if we play like we did against the spurrrrrrs

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 06:29 AM

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 06:36 AM

QUOTE (Longshanks @ Tuesday, June 6th, 2006, 1:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
lets not overrate the Heat defense, the piston played like SHAT last series, missed open shots alllllll series

we have no real answer for shaq, thats fine

the heat have ZERO answer for dirk and howard, throw in terry and harris and the heat will have to pray we are off all series

Mavs in 6, MAYBE 5 if we play like we did against the spurrrrrrs


Shaq.. you have no anwser for Wade and Walker provides all types of matchup problems too. Don't forget that the Heat have excellent defenders on the bench too (Alonzo Morning).

Howard isn't an unstoppable offensive force, he is solid but he is guardable. Terry is very inconsistant and Harris blows more point blank layups than anyone I have ever seen. He is quick, but he plays out of control a lot of the time.

Dirk is gonna get his, shut down Howard and keep Terry underwraps and the Mavs offence can get stagnent.

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 06:39 AM

I'll say it here, and gladly stick my foot in my mouth if I'm proven wrong. I don't see the Heat as an amazing, or even great team for that matter. They've had a GREAT playoff run, but this series will no where near as exciting as the Mavs/Spurs series...Miami played teams that were tired, and rolled over. Their heads will be spinning when the Mavs are done...Mavs in 5 or 6
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Posted 06 June 2006 - 10:25 AM

Anybody who thinks that Pat Riley will be denied with this group is flat out retarded. Who's gonna stop Dirk? Who cares? Who's gonna stop Shaq? How about Wade? The Heat made the Pistons defense look non- existent, and Dallas has does nothing except show me that they can stop a Suns offense running with 6 guys. The Heat are loaded. If the Mavs win a game I will be suprised- Heat in 4.
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Posted 06 June 2006 - 10:34 AM

QUOTE (ForRealDD @ Tuesday, June 6th, 2006, 9:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll say it here, and gladly stick my foot in my mouth if I'm proven wrong. I don't see the Heat as an amazing, or even great team for that matter.


You don't get to the finals by playing like crap.

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They've had a GREAT playoff run, but this series will no where near as exciting as the Mavs/Spurs series...


Maybe it will, maybe it won't. We have to watch and see.

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Miami played teams that were tired, and rolled over. Their heads will be spinning when the Mavs are done...Mavs in 5 or 6


Bulls are one of the youngest most exciting teams in the league.

Nets were considered the hottest team in the league comming into the playoffs, and the Heat rolled them in 5.

Pistons, you know a team that was in the finals 2 years in a row and best record in the league this year... done in 6.

The Mavs have been pushed to the limit every series, and honestly they were lucky they escaped the Spurs cause the refs were trying to hand them game 7.

The Heat have less playoff wear and tear, the Mav's are not going to run circles around them. You better hope the Mavs hold homecourt the first 2 games of the series, or it might not get back for game 6. The Heat have been very tough at home in the playoffs.

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 11:19 AM

QUOTE (Loismustdie @ Tuesday, June 6th, 2006, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anybody who thinks that Pat Riley will be denied with this group is flat out retarded. Who's gonna stop Dirk? Who cares? Who's gonna stop Shaq? How about Wade? The Heat made the Pistons defense look non- existent, and Dallas has does nothing except show me that they can stop a Suns offense running with 6 guys. The Heat are loaded. If the Mavs win a game I will be suprised- Heat in 4.


There was a joke section posted yesterday.....you can move this there...Heat in 4 ? icon_clap.gif The hardest I've laughed today...This thread will be fun after the finals...
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Posted 06 June 2006 - 11:19 AM

no one has still ever run the three road games at home - although i think the bulls ran the three on the road against the lakers

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Posted 06 June 2006 - 06:42 PM

Mavericks. Nowitzki isn't their only offensive threat..so I don't know why people think the Heat are just gonna "give Dirk whatever and shut down everyone else" or whatever.......yeah, Miami looked good against the Pistons..but we also must remember that Detroit played like crap.....the Mavs will be a MUCH tougher test for the Heat....and I think the Mavs are just going to be too much. Should be a great series though...I honestly would love to see both win...I like Dirk and I would love to see Shaq rub his ring right in Kobe's face....so either works for me.
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Posted 07 June 2006 - 08:08 AM

QUOTE (KowboyKoop @ Tuesday, June 6th, 2006, 9:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the Mavs will be a MUCH tougher test for the Heat....and I think the Mavs are just going to be too much. Should be a great series though...I honestly would love to see both win...I like Dirk and I would love to see Shaq rub his ring right in Kobe's face....so either works for me.


Agreed that the Mavs will be the toughest team the Heats faced. I expect a good series and I think a lot of it is going to come down to coaching and execution when teams get the mismatches they want.

I want to see Wade and Dirk both get rings, and I would like to see Cuban get one as a FU to the NBA in general. It would also be nice to see Shaq rub another ring in Kobes face too. I will be happy with the outcome regardless, though since Wade is probably my favorite player in the series I will be pulling for the Heat. Exp since I think the Mavs have the brighter future ahead of them where the Heat seem to be assembled to make this years run and that it.

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 12:00 AM

I LOVE you heat fans talking up ANTOINE FRIGGIN WALKER

that would be like me talking about how a big key to the mavs is van horn

toine is a joooooooooookkkkkeeeee

mavs in 5 or 6

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Posted 08 June 2006 - 04:34 AM

QUOTE (Longshanks @ Thursday, June 8th, 2006, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I LOVE you heat fans talking up ANTOINE FRIGGIN WALKER

that would be like me talking about how a big key to the mavs is van horn

toine is a joooooooooookkkkkeeeee

mavs in 5 or 6


Antoine's a joke? How many All-Star teams do you have to make before you arent a joke anymore?

Walker is a 3-time All-Star. Van Horn has NEVER made the All-Star team. A better comparison would Walker to Stackhouse. Stackhouse is a 2 time All-Star. Their roles are also similar in that they both provide additional offensive fire power. Do you think Stackhouse is a joke?



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