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[mmmikeySong]

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with
UTG calls, Hero calls, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero 3-bets, Button caps, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (16SB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: (9BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (11BB, 2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: 13BB

is it worth it in the long run to just put in more money pf w/drawing hands? Also, postflop play...um..check-raise flop and bet to river?

[Steppin Razor]

Because of the callers in between, I'd just call pre-flop. Then check raise the flop or check/call to check raise the turn.

[Verdimme]

I don't like preflop.

With one limper ahead of me, I'm raising this. Isolate him with position and you are golden.

Why are you 3-betting..? You don't have position on the preflop raiser. Also, its hard to imagine that you have immediate fold equity on the flop. Seems a bit like a case of FPS.

Rest looks good.

[Knight_Owl]

Horribly played pre-flop didn't have position and what was with the 3 betting? Your not going to isolate anyone! Don't get too caught up with yourself by congratulating your play because you hit a great flop and river card. Long run your simply Losing

[mmmikeySong]

well, I 3 bet because I felt that if I have a drawing hand, why not just put more money in the pot preflop so that if I hit a draw, I might get paid off big, while if I miss, I can just let it go.

So my question is, is that type of play -ev in the long run? I didn't 3 bet to make anyone fold pf.

Let's say you have Ax suited, would you do the same w/a possible nut flush draw?

[paulie72]

well, I 3 bet because I felt that if I have a drawing hand, why not just put more money in the pot preflop so that if I hit a draw, I might get paid off big, while if I miss, I can just let it go.
So my question is, is that type of play -ev in the long run? I didn't 3 bet to make anyone fold pf.

Let's say you have Ax suited, would you do the same w/a possible nut flush draw?

Thats incorrect reasoning. And you are losing money in the long run with that kind of plays. What you are actually doing is abusing pot odds. You are making the pot bigger Pre-flop so u will get pot odds to continue with the hand after the flop.

While your decisions after the flop are +EV because of good odds to a draw. The decision to three bet pre flop is -EV because you usually dont have the best hand after a raise and u have QTs.

[flintsword]

QTs is just not that good a hand.

Your betting behaviour makes sense if you have - with this table - done the same thing (ie) same betting pattern, with AA or KK. If yes, you have some sort of *reason* or expectation that your opponents will put you on a big hand.

That said, you are in $2/$4 land here. Most players will call down with anything.

In the long term it will lose money, but the worse thing is that in the short term, you could win a lot of pots, thusly fooling yourself that this is a winning method.

You are sentenced, for betting QTs with no regard for the math of the situation, to reading all of Paul Samuel's articles. Start with number one:

Paul Samuel Article number one

I am - of course - trying to be humerous with my "you are sentenced" and I hope you take it in good fun and the reason I am sending you to the (amazing) Paul Samuel articles is that they will help most players improve fundamentally.

Hint: Have pencil and paper handy & give the articles the time, brainpower, and concentration they deserve. There are well over a dozen articles, all dealing with math & poker.

Hope this post was helpful! Good luck in your games!

[mmmikeySong]

QTs is just not that good a hand.

Your betting behaviour makes sense if you have - with this table - done the same thing (ie) same betting pattern, with AA or KK. If yes, you have some sort of *reason* or expectation that your opponents will put you on a big hand.

That said, you are in $2/$4 land here. Most players will call down with anything.

In the long term it will lose money, but the worse thing is that in the short term, you could win a lot of pots, thusly fooling yourself that this is a winning method.

You are sentenced, for betting QTs with no regard for the math of the situation, to reading all of Paul Samuel's articles. Start with number one:

Paul Samuel Article number one

I am - of course - trying to be humerous with my "you are sentenced" and I hope you take it in good fun and the reason I am sending you to the (amazing) Paul Samuel articles is that they will help most players improve fundamentally.

Hint: Have pencil and paper handy & give the articles the time, brainpower, and concentration they deserve. There are well over a dozen articles, all dealing with math & poker.

Hope this post was helpful! Good luck in your games!

lol thanks again flintsword

[jjdylan]

reading all of Paul Samuel's articles. Start with number one:

Paul Samuel Article number one

good articles, thanks for the link