pokerplayer24 0 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Could have just folded the turn maybe?But not only that, wtf is with the river fold by BB. Sure the board paired but what hands bet 3-bet the flop then checkraise a capper on the turn then fold a river. Feel almost like I was colluded against.PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is MP with 6, 6. UTG calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.Flop: (6.50 SB) 7, 4, 5(3 players)BB bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls, BB calls.Turn: (9.25 BB) 9(3 players)BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, BB raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.River: (18.25 BB) 5(3 players)BB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds, BB folds.Final Pot: 19.25 BB Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 He probably had a flush draw and maybe a straight draw to go with it. Link to post Share on other sites
hotbacon 0 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I've seen this play a lot with Q 6 type hands.Of course, they ended up calling the river Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I hate when players check/raise the field with draws when it's obvious they don't have an equity edge or any fold equity. Oh well. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 I hate when players check/raise the field with draws when it's obvious they don't have an equity edge or any fold equity. Oh well.moving on to the hand. No way I can possibly fold the turn right? Link to post Share on other sites
AlphaOmega 0 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 I don't think you can fold the turn since you have 8 usually super clean outs in a big pot with big implied odds.This hand looks like you got cheated with the post-flop action, but I think if they were really teaming you then BB would have bet/folded the river, since that would give them the best chance to make you fold. Or maybe they were looking to check/raise/3-bet you again? I'd just keep an eye out for their screen names, or maybe email Party and ask them to investigate or keep a close eye on the players in the future. Link to post Share on other sites
flintsword 4 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 Looks to me that the BB had two diamonds with the 6 pushing a diamond flush and an open-ended str8 draw. With all the betting he could put one of the players on a set and cool down completely after he not only missed the flush or draw, but also saw the board paired. Saving a bet at the end there does make some sort of sense if he has his oppontnets tagged as being non-bluffers.Might have had A 6 , which can be pushed a bit more preflop five-handed.Just a guess of course, but it fits.Have you calculated your odds versus a set? You are a 74% dog against top set of 7's and 66% dog against a set of 4's or 5's. This is strictly a heads up calculation. If you give the other player a flush draw, say A K , top set of 7's is a 58% winner, the A K is 25% to win, and you are 15%.Now, only you know how tight and what range of hands are played by your opponents, so you have to guage how likely you are facing a real hand. It is such a big pot you should give your opponents credit for something, especially at the $10/$20 level.I can't fault you for pushing an open-ended str8 draw like that but I usually put the breaks on a bit If I get a lot of resistance, because it is a good hand, but not a great hand, when you consider how you stack up to other playable handsWhen the flop has a flush draw, you know the str8 draw with 6 6 is roughly 50-50 with a flush draw like A K and you are just feeding the rake for a coinflip, though it can be argued the rake is maximized anyways if the betting is wild. Sure you will be happy to win a big pot but you understand that 50% of the time you are losing a big pot. You are just feeding your variance here.Then there is the fun times when you make your str8 but also allow the flush .If you have this open-ended str8, but you are facing an overpair such as 88 or 99, you are a 25% dog.As long as you are getting the odds, it is ok.Thanks for posting this hand and good luck in your games. Link to post Share on other sites
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