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[doublesuited]

I think everyone here has probably heard the joke, "what's the difference between a baby and a poker player? Eventually the baby stops whining." This forum has grown in popularity is great part to the success, generosity and overall affability of Daniel Negreanu. With the "hype" over his chase to win Cardplayer POTY the year, Daniel has been the object of a great deal of criticism from alot of his "fans" which is quite frankly unfair. I fear if this keeps up, he may abandon this forum. I know if I was him I would.People have publicly posted questioning his effort, his desire, and even some of his poker strategies. While this may be the correct venue to question some strategy, the other remarks are frankly unwarranted. You may responsd, "well, its a free country." True, but we are basically guests in his computer and shouldn't be insulting the host.While I by no means have played poker at the highest levels which Daniel does, I think i have probably played at a significantly higher level than a great deal of players in this forum and have a rudimentary understanding of what it takes to play at that level. The best players in the world will have losing moneys in cash games. That's just a fact of life at this level. Any one player's edge is so money true profit can only be assured over a very long period of time.In many ways, I think Daniel has become the Tiger Woods of poker. He goes 2 months without winning a major tournament and everything thinks that he is in a slump. Let me tell you something-- winning a tournament is hard. Cashing in a tournament is hard. Making a final table of any high buy-in tournament is hard. The Best tournament players in the world cash in 1 out of every 3 events they playObviously, they make final tables in alot fewer than that.Finally, there are the personal attacks of from people who do not believe Daniel is playing very much poker. This is just frankly not true. Over the past few weeks, he has been playing in tourneys for 10 hours a day and then getting in some cash game action and doing well. I know I couldn't do that. I would challenge anyone here to be completely focused on anything for 10 hours in a row.Well time for me to get off my soapbox. I hope everyone hear who comes to criticize Daniel or give him "advice" on how to play better will remember that we, the poker proletariet, are lucky to have this contributions and should appreciate that we are guests on his site.

[wrto4556]

Amen

[Pupsta]

From what I've seen through Daniel through all of his blog entries and from his TV personality, I don't think that he'd abandon the forum simply because some people are "criticizing" him. I think that if any of the criticism is constructive, it's completely warranted in the forums, and I'd guess that Daniel appreciates it. Sure, some of the posts are whiny, but some of them have been insightful. Best of luck to you Daniel in the last events in the race.

[Speedy Petey]

In Daniel's blog he has admitted to the lack of desire and focus many times recently. No one is criticizing or questioning. Go Daniel!

[smurdogg]

Dude, was that an insult to Daniel? Tiger Woods IS in the worst of slumps.

[smurdogg]

Oh, thats what you said. My bad.

[DanielNegreanu]

No fear of me leaving the message board, I have very thich skin... :wink:

[jack24bauer24]

First off, I think its hilarious and great that Daniel, someone who makes millions and millions of dollars, someone we watch on TV (still a big fan of him on OTR in Canada) will come on and respond to Joe Blow's posts on a forum, me being included as one of those Joe Blow's.2ndly, for anyone to question Daniel's desire or whatever is being questioned is ridiculous. Whoever questioned him, I'd ask you this...don't you ever feel like not going to work? Don't you ever need a vacation? Don't you ever feel like you didn't have the most productive day at work? Most of us do our daily routine, whatever job it is, and unless we are completely incompetent at it, we get paid. If Daniel goes to work on a day where he knows he's not "feeling it" he loses money, and a lot of it. Who the hell is anyone to tell him how he should be feeling about playing.This isn't to defend Daniel, he's a big boy and can defend himself, if I was him I'd just point out the fact that he's on TV all the time and has people he's never met talking about him on a webpage, but thats something else....I just find it funny when people get all bent out of shape over someone who's world class and how they are performing.

[Ramocita]

It seems as if a lot of the posters on this forum have good intentions... but as the old saying goes.... "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"Just like any Sports Star or Actor or any person in the lime light will get criticism from every angle and from every aspect in their lives. EVEN IF THEY ARE DOING WELL!!!!....This site has been at least to me .... a well deserved break from reality and to be able to jump in an find some escape from my everyday life....Daniel DESERVES and has a RIGHT to find his own break and escape whether that means taking a few days to NOT play poker........ Hello????Basically what I am trying to say is "GET OFF OF HIS ASS"... worry about yourselves... do you not have anything better to do then to critizise someone else?????? :naughty:

[theACE]

Very well put doublesuited, the tiger woods analogy was a great example I think, even though Tiger is 3rd in the world now, noone doubts that he has more talent than Vijay or Ernie and can recapture the #1 ranking. I think the same is true for Daniel, although he is 2nd in standings at this point and has some bad beats, there's no doubt his talent and determination will vault him back to first.

[ivan]

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No fear of me leaving the message board, I have very thick skin.

It's what I gathered- although you must mean "second skin". Being an uncompromising oddball myself the thing just grows naturally like readywear. :wink:

[Sidrat]

The age of the Joe Bloggs is over. It was over a couple of years ago, when you could email anyone concerning anything, be it a politician, superstar or whoever in your field of interest.I think Daniel enjoys the blogs and the internet discussions, otherwise he wouldn't spend the money and (the most important commodity of them all), time.I also believe Daniel wants to promote Poker as much as possible to the widest possible audience, therefore he participates. Sure you need natural charisma and the ability to be nice so people will actually approach you and Daniel has that. Who could say no to that smile?This is the Dawning of the Age of the Superstar. Or rather the Famous for 15 minute person who is all over the tabloid and then thrown away with the trash. Thankfully Poker players aren't all over the media in an over the top way, they play poker, talk about poker and are able to tune people into the game.This is a good thing. For them too. There has to be money around for them to win. What better than an overexcited newbie on their first trip to Vegas who gets a chance to sit down at a table with a poker star who's after a relaxed game for a chance to unwind. Make it interesting for them, let them win a couple of hands, don't bleed them dry, then they'll come back tomorrow for more.I know for my holiday to Vegas with my girlfriend, I'll be doing more than playing poker (she'll leave me otherwise), and I'll be broke otherwise. But playing at a real table will give me a great insight and hopefully I'll meet good players who will give me a challenge and let me win a few hands too. WAHOOO.Long post alert, slightly off topic, but hey I had to say we are all equal. Someone's good at something, great. Everyone has something to say and we all deserve to be heard. For every great poker player or superstar actor, there's several hundred others with roughly the same ability with training (and dedication) to achieve the same or more out there.

[adamkadmon]

While I dont disagree with the poster, I am not familiar with any of the critcism in question. Honestly I really don't think Daniel gives a rats ass what anyone says about anything, he's to busy being.If there are any daniel bashers out there, let it be known you shall be burned at the stake alive.

[rkard]

When I read Daniel's journals I feel a tremendous sense of relief.When I was a newer player I always thought that the top level pro's were like machines (ok perhaps there's one or two machines out there) and didn't stop or get effected by anything. To see that one of the best players in the world can get winded just as every other man is comforting. I'm still young into this profession and seeing that at even the most rigouros top level you don't have to trade your humanity to become a robot is just a relief.

[lolly.gag.her]

whatever happened to the op

i wish daniel would pick some lucky random poster to send a personal msg to like once a week, even it was just a short comment about whatever,

pick me , pick me ,
no dont, i wouldnt know how to act. serious , dont pick me , but if you do then you wont be sorry ,

[Balloon guy]

Tiger Woods is really playing good right now, did you see that second shot on 16 Sunday?

[Suited_Up]

No fear of me leaving the message board, I have very thich skin... :wink:

Well, as long as it's the Hockey or Politics forum.

[SAM_Hard8]

where am I?

[brvheart]

whatever happened to the op

i wish daniel would pick some lucky random poster to send a personal msg to like once a week, even it was just a short comment about whatever,

pick me , pick me ,
no dont, i wouldnt know how to act. serious , dont pick me , but if you do then you wont be sorry ,

DN sends PM's on a regular basis. Post something worth reading in his blog section and he might pick you.

[chrozzo]

i just blew my nose..i looked at the tissue after (who doesnt?) there was a hint of purple in there.

awesome!