daniel is a creationist?

[maurile 0]

From Daniel's post:First of all Barry [Greenstein] doesn't believe in Heaven, Hell, or God for that matter. He is a proud atheist along with Chris Ferguson. Both men mocking the idea that there is a God claiming that there is no contemporary evidence to prove Jesus' existence.I remember talking to Chris Ferguson about it one night and he looked at me like I was delusional. I was trying to explain to him that calling himself Jesus, especially considering his beliefs, is very offensive to the majority of this country.Barry Greenstein's response at 2+2:I certainly never talked about evidence of Jesus's existense. I haven't spent any time researching it. However, when Daniel told me he was sure the earth was less than 6000 years old, I suggested that he should take a look at the Grand Canyon, learn about carbon dating, or study astronomy.I am not a "proud" atheist. I respect beliefs that are different than mine. I think religion has helped many people become better, and I believe Daniel is among them. As long as people are good to others, I don't care what caused them to incorporate that into their philosophy.Six thousand years old? You don't have to believe in carbon dating or any other radiometric dating to refute that. You can count tree rings back beyond 12,000 years. Similar to counting tree rings, you can count annual layers in certain ice cores that go back several hundred thousand years. You can can also count annual sediment layers (called varves) in large lakes that go back several hundred thousand years.We can also see numerous stars that are way more than 6,000 light-years away -- meaning that their light has been traveling toward us for way more than 6,000 years.

[digitalmonkey 929]

We can also see numerous stars that are way more than 6,000 light-years away -- meaning that their light has been traveling toward us for way more than 6,000 years.

This does not prove the Earth existed for more than 6,000 years. That light could have been traveling before the Earth came into existance.

[maurile 0]

We can also see numerous stars that are way more than 6,000 light-years away -- meaning that their light has been traveling toward us for way more than 6,000 years.

This does not prove the Earth existed for more than 6,000 years. That light could have been traveling before the Earth came into existance.

Yes, and dinosaur fossils may have been planted deep beneath the earth's crust (even though no dinosaurs ever existed) just to give the appearance of a history that never happened.There's no way to prove that the earth is more than two weeks old. Maybe God created the world last Tuesday, and planted false childhood memories in your head just like he created the starlight on its way here.But why would God create the world to appear older than it really is? What's with the (apparently) 65-million-year-old fossils? What's with the lead isotopes at levels along the decay continuum indicating an age of 4.5 billion years? What's with my birth certificate being dated well before last Tuesday?All the evidence points to an old earth. Why should we believe that all the evidence was faked? Is God the Great Deceiver?

[jayistheman 0]

We can also see numerous stars that are way more than 6,000 light-years away -- meaning that their light has been traveling toward us for way more than 6,000 years.

This does not prove the Earth existed for more than 6,000 years. That light could have been traveling before the Earth came into existance.

but all of his other points prove the earth has existed more than 6,000 years

[digitalmonkey 929]

but all of his other points prove the earth has existed more than 6,000 years

True, but who really counts up to 12,000 rings on a tree? I mean, I get up to 1100 or so and my mind is starting to wander.

[Nikki_N 17]

Wow. I'm staying away from this.Nikki

[jayistheman 0]

im all for a higher power...and im all for people having a personal relationship with their image of god.....but damnit, i'm not gonna believe that a sea turtle has been alive for a significant fraction of the world's existence.and im not gonna believe that some of the greatest caverns and canyons were created in that amount of time. its a ridiculous idea.

[Joeltp85 0]

and im not gonna believe that some of the greatest caverns and canyons were created in that amount of time. its a ridiculous idea.

Not if there was a worldwide flood that covered the earth for forty days and nights. :wink:

[Absolute 0]

Ill give the chances of being a god about 8 to 1.the chances of this world being 2000 years old?loldaniel, i know you enjoy readingi suggest the followingLivy - The History of RomeHerodotus - The HistoriesThucydides - The Peloponnesian WarIt's one thing to argue the meaning of the life of Jesus ChristIt's another thing to argue with verified recorded history.oh yeah, and fossils

[allinbluff35 0]

I have pudding in my fridge that *could* be older.

[Suited_Up 2]

and im not gonna believe that some of the greatest caverns and canyons were created in that amount of time.  its a ridiculous idea.

Not if there was a worldwide flood that covered the earth for forty days and nights. :wink:

I guess that would make the canyons in the ocean pretty damn deep, and just about ready to come out the other side.

[UNCCwill 0]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.htmlhere you go fellas, this is the United States Geological Survey's webpage on the age of the Earth, it contains only facts

[FOOSE1 0]

This site answers all the questions concerning evolution vs. creation. Also discusses dinosaurs, etc.http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

[digitalmonkey 929]

I have pudding in my fridge that *could* be older.

...and YOU once commented that I was weird

[chuckf410 0]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.htmlhere you go fellas, this is the United States Geological Survey's webpage on the age of the Earth, it contains only facts

And we're supposed to trust anything the government says is true? Just because they call it a fact? Like when they said 'the fact is there are weapons of mass destruction'.

[Wilderness 0]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.htmlhere you go fellas, this is the United States Geological Survey's webpage on the age of the Earth, it contains only facts

And we're supposed to trust anything the government says is true? Just because they call it a fact? Like when they said 'the fact is there are weapons of mass destruction'.

Is it hard to type with all that tin foil you're wearing?

[ArseneLupin3 0]

and im not gonna believe that some of the greatest caverns and canyons were created in that amount of time. its a ridiculous idea.

Not if there was a worldwide flood that covered the earth for forty days and nights. :wink:

This wouldn't create canyons. If everything were covered in water, there most likely wouldn't be a current strong enough to create significant erosion. Every current would be based on the thermodynamics of there being more heat at the equator. There isn't enough water in the world to cover the largest mountains, even if both polar ice caps melt.

[BilliardsBoy 0]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.htmlhere you go fellas, this is the United States Geological Survey's webpage on the age of the Earth, it contains only facts

And we're supposed to trust anything the government says is true? Just because they call it a fact? Like when they said 'the fact is there are weapons of mass destruction'.

Is it hard to type with all that tin foil you're wearing?

Well said good sir, you've done my work for me. And all the while with a Hobbes avatar. . . . I miss the crazy antics of him and Calvin ever so much.

[Eclypse 0]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.htmlhere you go fellas, this is the United States Geological Survey's webpage on the age of the Earth, it contains only facts

But, what if 6,000 years ago, God decided to create a universe that was already billions of years old on the day he created it?

[Eclypse 0]

This site answers all the questions concerning evolution vs. creation. Also discusses dinosaurs, etc.http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

This site is not going to help in any way to convince an evolutionist to accept creationism. To an evolutionist, this site will come off as the ramblings of a lunatic.

[chuckf410 0]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.htmlhere you go fellas, this is the United States Geological Survey's webpage on the age of the Earth, it contains only facts

And we're supposed to trust anything the government says is true? Just because they call it a fact? Like when they said 'the fact is there are weapons of mass destruction'.

Is it hard to type with all that tin foil you're wearing?

Sorry, I don't wear tin foil. That's for lining my home with.

[jayistheman 0]

i just read an interesting theory that both sides of the debate can agree uponman existed as an animal before 10k years ago.... then the human soul came into existence.... before that. earth was a rock covered with wild animalssomething to think about i guess

[Wilderness 0]

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.htmlhere you go fellas, this is the United States Geological Survey's webpage on the age of the Earth, it contains only facts

And we're supposed to trust anything the government says is true? Just because they call it a fact? Like when they said 'the fact is there are weapons of mass destruction'.

Is it hard to type with all that tin foil you're wearing?

Sorry, I don't wear tin foil. That's for lining my home with.

lol nice

[LukesMom 0]

I honestly think that this is one of those things....if you don't have a personal testimony of Christ and the Bible, you probably won't believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old. I could argue the reliability of carbon dating, but don't know enough about the other subjects to say anything about them.In my religion, we believe that the 6 days of creation weren't literal, 24-hr days... That could account for the carbon dating and tree ring arguments, etc.Still, you could not convince me that Christ did/does not exist and that the Bible is untrue. That's where testimony comes in. I'd love to know.... so you can look at a little newborn and tell me that it was a freak accident of nature?? I'm amazed at that!

[jack24bauer24 0]

I honestly think that this is one of those things....if you don't have a personal testimony of Christ and the Bible, you probably won't believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.  I could argue the reliability of carbon dating, but don't know enough about the other subjects to say anything about them.In my religion, we believe that the 6 days of creation weren't literal, 24-hr days... That could account for the carbon dating and tree ring arguments, etc.Still, you could not convince me that Christ did/does not exist and that the Bible is untrue. That's where testimony comes in.  I'd love to know.... so you can look at a little newborn and tell me that it was a freak accident of nature?? I'm amazed at that!

I look at a baby and think its because sperm fertilized an egg.Its a freak of nature when my aces go down to 27 off suit