Playing 0.25 NL cash game,
I get As 10s, raise, get two callers.
Flop comes Ah 10c 7h.
Pot sized bet, two callers
Turn, junk
Pot sized bet, two callers
River, 4h
Do I bet here?
Then....
Both of the other two are all in for over $15. Do I call that?
I hadn't been in the room long, but there had been no crazy betting up to that point.
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Top Two Pair -- How Much Is It Worth
Started by hblask, May 26 2006 05:08 AM
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 05:08 AM
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 05:11 AM
.25NL has many players that overvalue top pair, good kicker.
You will probably see AK/AQ from one player, and the other with 89s.
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You will probably see AK/AQ from one player, and the other with 89s.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 05:44 AM
First, what is your position?
Second, what was your pf raise?
Based on the information you provided, I fold. You could easily be up against a flush or a set.
Second, what was your pf raise?
Based on the information you provided, I fold. You could easily be up against a flush or a set.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 06:00 AM
QUOTE (tobytobey @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 8:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First, what is your position?
Second, what was your pf raise?
Based on the information you provided, I fold. You could easily be up against a flush or a set.
Second, what was your pf raise?
Based on the information you provided, I fold. You could easily be up against a flush or a set.
Early position, 4XBB pf raise.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 08:33 AM
QUOTE (hblask @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 6:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Early position, 4XBB pf raise.
Call it. The information is worth the money.
One is holding AK.
Another is probably a suited connector and hit the flush.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 11:21 AM
Results:
I checked, fearing the flush or a flopped set, they both went all in.
One had an overpair, KK. The other had flopped bottom two pair. I would've taken down a big pot from two idiots.
I checked, fearing the flush or a flopped set, they both went all in.
One had an overpair, KK. The other had flopped bottom two pair. I would've taken down a big pot from two idiots.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 12:24 PM
QUOTE (MasterLJ @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 2:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Top two on the flop should play like a set imo.
Isn't that what I did, betting the pot? Or am I supposed to bet more than that?
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 12:27 PM
QUOTE (hblask @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 3:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
One had an overpair, KK.
How is that an overpair?
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 12:33 PM
QUOTE (hblask @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 6:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Playing 0.25 NL cash game,
I get As 10s, raise, get two callers.
Flop comes Ah 10c 7h.
Pot sized bet, two callers
Turn, junk
Pot sized bet, two callers
River, 4h
Do I bet here?
Then....
Both of the other two are all in for over $15. Do I call that?
I hadn't been in the room long, but there had been no crazy betting up to that point.
I get As 10s, raise, get two callers.
Flop comes Ah 10c 7h.
Pot sized bet, two callers
Turn, junk
Pot sized bet, two callers
River, 4h
Do I bet here?
Then....
Both of the other two are all in for over $15. Do I call that?
I hadn't been in the room long, but there had been no crazy betting up to that point.
well there was a flush draw on the board, so wht do you think the players are check/calling you? Then the flush draw hits on board, it would've been 50/50 if one player went all in for over $15 but 2 PLAYERS WENT ALL IN! Safe to say, one hit there draw and ur 2 pair is no good. FOLD!
p.s. wht did you do?!?QUOTE (hblask @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 12:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Results:
I checked, fearing the flush or a flopped set, they both went all in.
One had an overpair, KK. The other had flopped bottom two pair. I would've taken down a big pot from two idiots.
I checked, fearing the flush or a flopped set, they both went all in.
One had an overpair, KK. The other had flopped bottom two pair. I would've taken down a big pot from two idiots.
flopped set? why do most new players think that because one bets big, therefore the player must have the Nutz or a "Set" LOL And how much were you betting? raising?
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 02:51 PM
QUOTE (Actuary @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 6:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I push the turn.
that is what I would do, there are soo many scare cards that could come off on the river.
any KQJ or heart is a tough one.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 02:53 PM
Why push the turn?
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 06:48 PM
QUOTE (Sluggo @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 2:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why push the turn?
good pot
nice hand
oop
put them to decision
keeping it simple
too win more $$$$.
ps..to be sure though..i need to reveiw stack sizes.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 07:38 PM
QUOTE (Actuary @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 7:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
good pot
nice hand
oop
put them to decision
keeping it simple
too win more $$$$.
ps..to be sure though..i need to reveiw stack sizes.
nice hand
oop
put them to decision
keeping it simple
too win more $$$$.
ps..to be sure though..i need to reveiw stack sizes.
Doesn't all of that logic apply to pushing the flop?
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 07:41 PM
QUOTE (Sluggo @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 7:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Doesn't all of that logic apply to pushing the flop?
you have much more equity on turn, likely
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 09:07 PM
QUOTE (Swift_Psycho @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 3:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How is that an overpair?
Umm, because i m dum and wuz tpin in a hury.
QUOTE (Actuary @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 9:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
good pot
nice hand
oop
put them to decision
keeping it simple
too win more $$$$.
ps..to be sure though..i need to reveiw stack sizes.
nice hand
oop
put them to decision
keeping it simple
too win more $$$$.
ps..to be sure though..i need to reveiw stack sizes.
This is the one thought that didn't occur to me at the time... I guess I'm mostly not that brave, but it is the one that makes the most sense. I really have got to learn to keep options like that open. I guess I just feel like if someone is calling pot sized bets, they have a serious hand. In this case, apparently not, though, so maybe I've just been giving away a lot of hands.
Thanks everyone, a lot of interesting input.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 09:52 PM
QUOTE (Actuary @ Friday, May 26th, 2006, 8:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
you have much more equity on turn, likely
Won't you have the most equity on the river?
Your logic applies to the turn as well as the flop. I'm not advocating pushing the flop, but I'm just saying those reasons for pushing the turn don't make sense.
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Posted 26 May 2006 - 10:10 PM
on the rvier you'll only get called if behind - often
On turn you'll get called by worse hands, drawing practically dead or with horrible odds
I think with this hand/baord, the turn is the best street.. pot big / equity high / chance of worse hands calling /
I'm learning..don't know
On turn you'll get called by worse hands, drawing practically dead or with horrible odds
I think with this hand/baord, the turn is the best street.. pot big / equity high / chance of worse hands calling /
I'm learning..don't know
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