Hit My Card, Still Not Happy

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q. UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.Flop: (6.50 SB) 2, 4, T(3 players)BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.Turn: (4.75 BB) A(3 players)BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, Hero folds.UTG is the tablefish, and BB is reminding him about that the last few rounds. BB seems to know the basics at least.

[screech 0]

Yuk.I would 3-bet before I would fold. BB's play looks like he is trying to protect something. Just call down.

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Yuk.I would 3-bet before I would fold. BB's play looks like he is trying to protect something. Just call down.

That doesn't make sense. If he wanted to protect, he could have done that on the flop. What is he leading out with, that he is c/ring the turn with? To me it seems like he wants to stop and go me. Call me stupid, but I've learned that most of the time it beats TPTK.Also, this guy is not an idiot. I've raised preflop, missed on the flop..and now I'm betting when an ace shows up. From his perspective, its very likely I have that ace.

[Steppin Razor 0]

He's not stop-and-going you because he didn't stop on the flop.What's your raising range - AT-AK, KQ, KJ, AA-66?Looks to me like he has a Ten, or Ace high and donk betted the flop. Either he's protecting a Ten, or took a shot with Ace high on the flop and then caught it on the turn.The only hand to worry about is AT. A 4 and A 2 can be outdrawn with the Ten or 4 pairing respectively as well as your Q outs. A set would more likely check/call the flop.I'm calling down since I have a good chance of having the best hand and have an adequate draw to a better two pair.

[screech 0]

That doesn't make sense. If he wanted to protect, he could have done that on the flop. What is he leading out with, that he is c/ring the turn with?

It makes plenty of sense. If he had a strong hand, he would typically lead the turn, hoping to trap the other player, and not shut him out. Who know's what hands he is doing it with. Maybe a pair + a flush draw. All I know is that if he has AQ beat, then his play doesn't really make sense.

To me it seems like he wants to stop and go me. Call me stupid, but I've learned that most of the time it beats TPTK.

Or maybe he was trying to bet/3-bet you. Or maybe he is distracted and forgets how the action went. Who knows? Maybe he's seen you make folds like tihs in the past, and is raising Tx because he thinks you fold too much.I'm not going to call you stupid, because you're not. But you are getting over 6:1 to call down. So while most of the time he may have TPTK beat, a significant % of the time he won't. I would guess you are good here at least 25% of the time.

Also, this guy is not an idiot. I've raised preflop, missed on the flop..and now I'm betting when an ace shows up. From his perspective, its very likely I have that ace.

Of course it is. But that doesn't necessarily mean you have a strong ace. YOu isolated a loose limper. He could play this way with Ad9d. Also, his flop lead, turn check/raise signals anything but a monster. And if plays a monster this way, then he is an idiot and you can't trust him enough not to call down. Either way, the fold looks pretty bad.

[CoranMoran 0]

That doesn't make sense. If he wanted to protect, he could have done that on the flop. What is he leading out with, that he is c/ring the turn with?

Leading with pair of Tens (or even less) is a common move here.

I've raised preflop, missed on the flop..and now I'm betting when an ace shows up. From his perspective, its very likely I have that ace.

MaybeYou either have the Ace...Or you are trying to represent the Ace.Most Preflop Raisers will bet this passive turn either way.So it doesn't necessaily tell BB that his Tens are behind.But check raising faces UTG with 2 bets and thus helps protect his hand if we don't have the Ace.I agree that there are not too many hands that have you beat that should be played this way.Nevertheless, you certainly may be behind.But folding your strong hand seems like a bad idea.I call down.

Also, his flop lead, turn check/raise signals anything but a monster. And if plays a monster this way, then he is an idiot and you can't trust him enough not to call down. Either way, the fold looks pretty bad.

Well put.--cm

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He's not stop-and-going you because he didn't stop on the flop.What's your raising range - AT-AK, KQ, KJ, AA-66?

Ok, trying then. In the raising range you can add QT and KT, and A7s+.Isolating a LPP is +EV.

Or maybe he was trying to bet/3-bet you. Or maybe he is distracted and forgets how the action went. Who knows? Maybe he's seen you make folds like tihs in the past, and is raising Tx because he thinks you fold too much.I'm not going to call you stupid, because you're not. But you are getting over 6:1 to call down. So while most of the time he may have TPTK beat, a significant % of the time he won't. I would guess you are good here at least 25% of the time.

Yeah, you name some valid options for other possible holdings. This fold is not standard for me, I look them up most of the time. I feel I'm losing quite a bit of BB's doing this, but you're probably right. After all, I only need to be good 1 in 6 times.

[AlphaOmega 0]

I basically agree with Screech. UTG is giving you an excellent overlay on showing this hand down, and you're ahead of BB sometimes. For those times that you aren't ahead, you may improve on the river.How bad has your downswing gotten? I can certainly sympathize with these types of hands because I make and have made those mistakes while downswinging. It's often hard to analyze these situations correctly in the heat of battle because every other hand it seems like you are getting check/raised, and when you show down you are always beat. If you want, feel free to send me some more hands from your sessions. It sounds like this involves a lot of running bad, but if there's something coming from your end I'll see if I can't find something wrong.

[Steppin Razor 0]

Ok, trying then. In the raising range you can add QT and KT, and A7s+.Isolating a LPP is +EV.

Yeah. My only point was that he can easily tell himself a ten is good (or smaller pair, or whatever the he!! else these guys play with). The only better hand that makes a little sense playing the way is Aces up. Definitely have better than 6:1 against that.

[greatwhite 0]

I'm am still trying to find out why you folded the turn. I'd call down UI.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

It makes plenty of sense. If he had a strong hand, he would typically lead the turn, hoping to trap the other player, and not shut him out. Who know's what hands he is doing it with. Maybe a pair + a flush draw. All I know is that if he has AQ beat, then his play doesn't really make sense.

I actually like his play a lot if he has a set (from his preflop call and flop lead, I'd put him on most likely a set or a draw).While it's possible he's giving a free card to you with a gutshot, most likely you have an A (your flop call suggests you probably don't have an overpair), in which case you will surely bet that turn. And if the fish has a hand that he'll call one bet with, there's a good chance he'll call two. So I think his line would be a smart way to play a strong hand.That said, I agree with others that this could also be a pair and a flush draw (although I'm surprised he would play it this way, unless he thinks there's a reasonable chance you'd fold an A), or some other strange hand. I think the pot is laying too good of a price, and you should call down.

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I actually like his play a lot if he has a set (from his preflop call and flop lead, I'd put him on most likely a set or a draw).

Agreed.

I can certainly sympathize with these types of hands because I make and have made those mistakes while downswinging. It's often hard to analyze these situations correctly in the heat of battle because every other hand it seems like you are getting check/raised, and when you show down you are always beat.

Exactly how I felt. Its very hard to keep making the correct decisions when you are running bad.