Horrible Turn Bet

[Moneyball16 0]

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)No ReadsPreflop: Hero is UTG with K, Q. Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls.I always raise with this, which may or may be correct. If i didnt raise I would fold, sshe says to limp in under these circumstances.Flop: (8.50 SB) T, J, 7(4 players)BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP3 calls, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, BB calls.Im alright with pumping the pot four handed. I feel my edge is more than 25%, but at the same time calling maybe the better move for checkraising purposes.Turn: (10.25 BB) J(4 players)BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP3 folds, BB folds, Hero calls.This has to be horrible right? On the flop the villain basically told me he had a jack and so when the turn card comes it is basically going to isolate me against three jacks. Maybe I am being results oriented but probably not.River: (14.25 BB) K(2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls?Final Pot: 16.25 BBWas pretty sure I was beat but for the price can I fold. I used to make this fold all the time until I read sshe and I have to agree with its advice.Comments and criticism(sp?) encouraged for all streets.

[bobbywithani 0]

Check turn. As played I wouldn't fold that river with a gun pointed to my head. He could have AJ, JQ, even just a ten. Getting 14-1 don't fold a straight HU. Also you shouldn't be three-betting flop either, if you had a spade in your hand maybe, but you are OOP and get yourself into sticky situations like this all the time.

[Moneyball16 0]

Check turn. As played I wouldn't fold that river with a gun pointed to my head. He could have AJ, JQ, even just a ten. Getting 14-1 don't fold a straight HU. Also you shouldn't be three-betting flop either, if you had a spade in your hand maybe, but you are OOP and get yourself into sticky situations like this all the time.

I dont have a straight. I just have two pair.

[bobbywithani 0]

I dont have a straight. I just have two pair.

I'm a drunken idiot, but getting 14-1 I would still call, but then again I wouldn't have built the pot so big for myself that I would give myself the odds to call.

[Actuary 3]

your overcard outs are too weak to 3-bet the flop imo.I'm cool with the lead out on flopturn bet, not goodriver call sorta bad.semi bluffs got there for one.You got all the info you needed on the turn, imocould I fold there... probably not

[TeaKnight 0]

did you just play KQos from UTG in a full ring game?If your gonna play it, you have to raise, so you got that right.fold pre-flopEDIT: I didn't mean to post this under this account. I promise I'm totally serious about my comment.

[Actuary 3]

fold pre-flop

why?SSHE says to play it.Raise is Loose games, limp in tight.I find it does well in low limit games.

[Zach6668 513]

why?SSHE says to play it.Raise is Loose games, limp in tight.I find it does well in low limit games.

Agree.

[Moneyball16 0]

Am I the only one that cant follow sshe advice in limping with this utg in tight games. I never open limp with unpaired off suit cards, I hjate doing it because they play better in smaller fields and even in loose games a raise will still decrease the players in the pot. Does anyone else have this same rule about offuit unpaired hands? I dont even like playing them for one bet if someone has limped ahead of me, is this a leak in my game to either raise or fold all these hands?

[Actuary 3]

my guess...the logic is that in tight games, the hands that call your raise will have you in bad shapewhile in loose games..you have equity edgeKQ makes nice top pair hands against bad playersI think AJ/AT and KQ are tough to play UTG..good practice hands

[Moneyball16 0]

my guess...the logic is that in tight games, the hands that call your raise will have you in bad shapewhile in loose games..you have equity edgeKQ makes nice top pair hands against bad playersI think AJ/AT and KQ are tough to play UTG..good practice hands

If this is the case wouldn't folding in tight games be better than limping?

[Actuary 3]

If this is the case wouldn't folding in tight games be better than limping?

well, you still have a hand that wins a good share.but if you are not strong post flop aplyer in a tough game, I'd say fold is goodif it's tight weak..I like raising sometimes..I don't think KQ is a clear hand, imo

[Moneyball16 0]

well, you still have a hand that wins a good share.but if you are not strong post flop aplyer in a tough game, I'd say fold is goodif it's tight weak..I like raising sometimes..I don't think KQ is a clear hand, imo

I hate this hand!

[Zach6668 513]

In tight games, I'm raising ATo, AJo, KQo UTG. This is mostly my strategy for 2/4 online. When I play 3/6 live, everybody calls two cold with any two, so I will just limp them, and play them cheaply, multiway.- Zach

[bascomeb 0]

In tight games, I'm raising ATo, AJo, KQo UTG. This is mostly my strategy for 2/4 online. When I play 3/6 live, everybody calls two cold with any two, so I will just limp them, and play them cheaply, multiway.- Zach

i thought in tight games you want to limp with those hands and in loose games you want to raise. Which one is it?

[Zach6668 513]

i thought in tight games you want to limp with those hands and in loose games you want to raise. Which one is it?

Hmmmm... I have no idea anymore...Personally, I'd rather play something like AJo against 1 or 2 opponents. So, in a tightish game, raising will force out all but the loosest players, or players will real hands. So, some of the time you will lose, but you should take enough from the lose players calling with KJ, or AT, etc to compensate, IMO.However, these hands still have value multiway, so in a loose game, where raising would just bloat the pot with a mediocre hand OOP, I think limping is best, since we still should be playing these hands.Does this sound right?In practice, I almost always raise AJo, and almost always raise KQo, from any position. That's just the way I like to play. In theory, I like my analysis though. Someone tell me if I'm way off here.- Zach

[bascomeb 0]

I think it sounds good to me. I almost all the time too raise with AJo and KQo from any position